TikTok and The Dad That Got Away with Murder

No two crimes are exactly alike, but they can be eerily similar. TikToker Brooke Nicole (@Bnicole324) was just 6 years old when she heard her father murder her mother, similar to Collier. Except Brooke's dad wasn't arrested. He actually maintained custody over Brooke and her sisters. At such young ages, they didn't know what to do. So they lived with their father, knowing his dark secret. Years later, Brooke found the courage to speak out about her father's crime, and now is trying to see him brought to justice.

• "Mom got hit by a car. You're going to the babysitters." That's what Brooke's father told her to allegedly cover up the fact that he had just murdered her mother. Collier talks with Brooke about her shocking story and the extreme difficulty that comes with holding on to a secret for decades.

• How do you break the terrible news to someone whose parent has just been killed? That's what Brooke had to do with her little sister.

• Now that her story is out, hear the appalling way that Brooke's aunts are now treating her.

• Collier and Brooke discuss the numerous similarities their fathers share. It seems there are plenty of personality traits that criminals have in common.

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Brooke Nicole 0:06

He gets down on the ground, He's fake crying, there's no tears. He's fake crazily. And he's like, Hey, she didn't actually get hit by a car. She killed herself. And we were like, what? That doesn't make any sense. So basically, my whole he kept custody of us and raised me and my little sister and our whole lives. He told us that she committed suicide. We both knew it wasn't true. But we also knew that he was the only parent we had, and we didn't support him, but we weren't. We're like, we have to survive the next 10 years. So how do we get out of this horse like we have to make him think we believe him.

Intro Stinger 0:51

Testimony continued today in the most notorious criminal trial in Richland County history. Dr. John Boyle is accused of killing his wife, Noreen, and burying her body in the basement of his new home in Erie, Pennsylvania. The 12-year-old son finally took the stand. I heard a scream, I heard a thud. It was about this loud. We the jury find the defendant guilty.When I was twelve years old, my testimony sent my father to prison for murdering my mother. This podcast serves as a type of therapy and reconciliation for myself, and it is my hope that it helps anyone who has experienced deception, betrayal, and dark trauma. I’m Collier Landry, and this is Moving Past Murder.

Hey, movers what's going on? Welcome back to another episode of moving past murder. I'm your host call your Landry and let's kill it on. Man, do I have a great episode in store for you guys today, my guest who I get to interview and this one is going to be a two parter for you guys, because we talked about so much stuff. And of course, as you guys know, I love the sound of my own voice. So I have no problem talking. And we really chopped it up. And it was a really great conversation that we have. And we share a lot of really scary similarities in our lives paths. And I really wanted to meet her and talk to her for a long time. So but I'll get to that in a second. I want to get to this week's listener question. And this one is actually like a commentary or maybe even a critique. But I want to address it because it is something that is really important to me and is something that is really important for me, to help you guys really understand as my audience, and I think a lot of you guys gravitate towards me because, you know, there's, you know, of course, the Coliseum effect of the sort of true crime element of my show and what I talked about with my own personal story. But there's also the element of where you guys draw a lot of inspiration for me and how I approach my life. That doesn't always land on people the way that I intend for it to land, or that I or that I mean to express it as and a lot of people also have a lot of difficulties grasping some of this material when I discuss my life. So in all fairness, like it is everyone's opinion. They're entitled to what think and say what ever they want to do because guess what, this is still America we are allowed to do that. This has led to free speech. So this listeners comment is based upon my Father's Day episode, which is entitled letters from prison, a Father's Day tribute to a horrible father where I really read one of my father's letters from prison that he wrote me many years ago. I'm using it as kind of a attributed for Father's Day, what can I say? But this one comes from Meg Jones, and she writes, you're grateful that you have a father who was abusive and killed your mother question mark. My father did the same eons ago, and I am so ashamed and angry and sad that he killed my mother and that I have bloodlines with him. My brother one year younger is the same and sad, angry emoji face. Okay. Now, first of all, make I'm really sorry to hear that that's horrible. And as someone who has been through the same type of trauma, it's it's not easy to deal with. Now, here's the thing I often say on the show, and I talked about it in interviews. And I it's kind of been sort of the mantra of my whole life. I approach all of this. And look, I do this podcast because I am sharing my story with you guys, my audience. It is really one of the things that that has come out of this massive tragedy that I've dealt with. That is really fulfilling to me to share this material because the number of listeners and viewers and people not only that come to the podcast, but came to the podcast through my film, and most recently on Tik Tok, where I share my story in slightly different way. They really glean a lot of hope, from my sort of perpetual optimism. And that's sort of my whole way of life and way of thinking. And many of my friends come to me, and when they're down, and they're like, you know, hey, I'm dealing with this situation, but you're the professional optimist. And I have this sort of knack, that I have developed. And you can call this a trauma response, if you want, you can call this just sort of my mother channeling through me, I like to think in a lot of ways, or you could just call this just sort of my naivete, that I approached life with. I don't know, my whole thing is, you have two options when you are faced with a situation like this. One is, you can embrace it, and try to use it to empower yourself and others. The second is you can feel ashamed, embarrassed, depressed, angry, frustrated, just hopeless, right? And, and bitter towards life. I chose the former of those, you know, in the film of murder Mansfield, when I confront my father, in prison about murdering my mother, and a lot of people, you know, had reached out to me then when they see the film, or when they still see the film, and they say, you know, how can you sit there and, you know, talk to your father, and how can you not just get angry and upset? And my thing is, is like, honestly, what fucking good does that do?

I mean, I understand that that's sort of like the natural way that we want to get angry. And trust me, like, I am angry, I do, I do get angry. Like, of course, the situation that my father put myself, my mother and my family through is absolutely horrific. I am very well aware of that, because I lived through it just for the record. It wasn't like it just, I was there every single step of the way. But I really do feel like if I took all that and just made that into an anger situation, where I just everyday feel ashamed, I feel angry and bitter, and oh, fuck the world. And life owes me something. And I'm entitled to a this and that, and the other. I learned really early on in my life, that that's just not going to work. And it wasn't really in me, because my mother wasn't like that my mother didn't raise me to be that way. And then when I was finally adopted, my adoptive parents didn't raise me that way. They were, they were really good about like, you know, not like almost the opposite, like, and I learned, growing up that I had to embrace that very early on, or else it was going to destroy me in life. Now, I say all that with the caveat that I am not without my faults, for sure. 100%, I am human, I am just I make mistakes like everyone else. You can ask plenty of the girls that I've dated in life, or friends, or just you know, people in general, but I genuinely try to not let these things I try not to succumb to them, right. And I feel like that was the good choice. For me. I feel like that was the only choice for me, really, because you can embrace these things and try to make them into a positive look, I made a film it impacted. You know, it was originally I wanted to change my life and impact one person, I wanted to speak to that kid who was unposted care who was literally had no family, no nothing and had to testify against his father for doing the most horrible thing to him that he could possibly do. And find the courage to do that. I wanted to speak to that kid who fell alone because I was that kid. And if you guys listen to last week's episode, where I replay my interview with Jess McKinley, on her podcast, sincerely future, you, you will get all of that.

I wanted to do something, but I wanted to be very calculated about it. And I look at all of that. And not to sound who we do about it. But I look all that with a continued state of gratitude. I look through, I look at it through the lens of optimism. And that I am fortunate enough I have always been fortunate enough to be able to control my own narrative in my life. And to be able to use that as a tool to not only better myself, but those around me and and you know, just be a little bit of a ray of light for this light in this world. And I know that that speaks to the majority of you guys and my audience, but I know that some people have a hard time hearing that. So yeah, I am grateful because I really genuinely like the person that I've become. And then I've grown into being I didn't always like that person or I didn't always love that person. And sometimes I have my down days and I'm just kind of sad and oh Oh, life is hard because life is hard. Let's just face it. But at the end of the day, I am who I am because of my experiences. Do I wish I had an easier life? Absolutely. Do I wish that everything would be roses? Absolutely. But I don't live in a fairy tale and neither do you guys. We live in reality, and sometimes life gives you lemons. And you can either make lemonade or you can throw the lemons back at the lemonade stand person and say fuck you, I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want. That was sort of my sort of my process. I you know, I'm being cheeky about all this, but and I appreciate mag, I appreciate your comments, I appreciate where you're coming from. My process is different than yours. I just didn't want to be angry. I didn't want to grow up a bitter and angry person because I'm not it just doesn't do any good. It's not gonna bring my mother back. It's not going to make my father less of a murderer, for sure isn't going to change my life. It's just going to make me an angry person. And I know a lot of angry people. They're kind of assholes. I don't want to be an asshole. So I chose a different path. And I and I'm happy about that. And yes, I am grateful for it. It sucks the way it had to go down. But I'm grateful for the person that I've become today. I digress. It didn't need to take that long on this topic. But it is literally the way I look at the world. And y'all that know me that listen to this podcast that really know me that have met me that have been my role dogs throughout my life. You guys know how I have how I feel, and you know, all the conversations that we've had so and then to you guys who are a new part of my world, you guys are learning about me. And I'm really grateful for that, too. Anyways, speaking of flipping one's narrative in life. So a lot of you have discovered the podcast, obviously, because of the film of murder Mansfield, or you've come to the podcast organically or if you didn't hear me you heard me nonstop talking about ad nauseam bugging you at some dinner party or something or over a zoom. Or you discover me on tick tock, and you gravitated towards my story, which I was sharing. My next guest is someone whose story I gravitated towards medially when I discovered her in around February of this year, February 2022. And her name is Brooke Nicole. Brooke Nicole is also someone who my God after like interviewing her, we have so many parallels, which is really exciting. And again, this is a two part episode for you guys, because she was a great interviewer. And not only that she's also from the Midwest, she's from Indiana. It's very cool. She is also someone who said, in a way, well, not in a way in a very specific way. Like I'm going to use the power of social media to bring justice for my mother. And it's really fucking cool. There's another a friend of mine who is also going to be on the program. Her name is Sarah attorney. She's also doing that for justice for her sister, she hosts the podcast, voices for justice. And hopefully I'm gonna be on the podcast very soon as well. There are many people that are using social media to bring light to these causes that are often or at one time were really ignored. And it's really cool. And as someone who spoke up for my mother, when she went missing and said, Look, she's on a missing person, she is dead or something has happened to her at the very least. And you police officer need to do something about it. And then David mass more by the grace of God, believe me the word of an 11 Soon to be your 12 year old kid that his father killed his mother. It is really cool to see people doing that work. That's all I gotta say. So I'm gonna stop blabbering. I'm gonna let you guys listen to this wonderful interview that I've had with Brooke Nicole, who I discovered on tick tock. And here's Brooke. So I've discovered you on tick tock because you were telling the story of your mother's disappearance and what you believe to be your father's involvement in her murder. Yeah, correct. So

Brooke Nicole 14:01

I started on Tik Tok about a year ago, but I just started with that story and then not the broader context of it. But basically, I was my parents met in 1989. They got pregnant with me very quickly. My mom had had a kid my dad was in, I think his intern year or residency because he was also a doctor. And then they moved as soon as he got out of that. I can't remember what year it was. But when I was two, they moved from Indiana to Oklahoma. And my mom didn't know anybody in Oklahoma was like 800 miles away from her family. Everyone she knew was in Indiana, and both of my parents are from Indiana, just different small towns. And we moved down there. And then probably three years later when I was about five I have a little Sisters while she's 10 months younger than me, but when I was about five, my dad got in trouble. Because a patient came forward and said that he touched her inappropriately, and she was 17. So she was yeah, she was in foster care. And so nobody really believed her because they had this bright young doctor, you know, who was brilliant and like a big part of this community, this small town, and he had preyed on someone that nobody would believe.

Collier Landry 15:33

parallels are very, very similar. This is crazy.

Brooke Nicole 15:39

Yeah, it gets more it gets more paralleled, actually later, it's crazy. But he ended up losing his license, I believe in Oklahoma. And so we moved to Illinois, like the border of Indiana and Illinois. He didn't lose his license in Indiana because they at the time, they didn't talk. It was the mid 90s. So he still has licensed in Indiana. So he worked in Indiana. And then he got fired and lost his license in Indiana when I was like eight for stealing drugs from the ER, he was an addict. So he sold drugs from the ER. So your father was an addict? Yeah, he was an addict, prescription drugs. And so he tried to go to rehab a couple of times, never worked. He would write his own scripts, things like that. Like opioid opioid heavy stuff. And then he pretty much did everything. We're still in Oklahoma. He's under investigation for assaulting this woman. Child. She's 17. She's a child. Yeah, she's. He's under investigation for that. My mom finds out in November, about this. So it happened in like, I want to say September. My dad knew about it for a couple of months without saying anything to my mom. My mom finds out about it in November, because that's when the police pulled me and my little sister out of school and start interviewing us. And the whole town finds out because these kids are getting pulled out in questioned. Right? I was in first grade

Collier Landry 17:09

to bold move. That's a bold move, because it's a small town. And when you do something like that, it's like they know.

Brooke Nicole 17:16

It was a big deal. So that's when my mom finds out November, February. She's dead. So it's all going it's all like happening. That whole investigation is happening. At one point in December my dad just takes off leaves tries to drive to Alaska to see someone who is his mistress at the time. She was 16 It's he doesn't make it all the way there they stop him in Canada turn them around. Because he it's it's a hot mess. But he comes home.

Collier Landry 17:50

So he they stopped him in Canada at the Canadian border because of the pending issue with the underage. 17 year old he was trying to flee the country without he give her Did he give her physicals was that the the thing that was the under the guise of your physical? Wow, very similar.

Brooke Nicole 18:06

My father actually caught him because they sent her in with a wire by herself at 17. And he apologized to her for doing it. Yeah,

Collier Landry 18:19

the bravery she'd already reported it. And then when

Brooke Nicole 18:24

that girl like, especially when the whole town was against her, like, it's insane to me how brave she had to be like to do that to go back in that room by herself and confront him for it. She did and she wore a wire and so he pled he pled no contest to it lost his license. But as this all was going on. My mom and dad were having money issues because they were fighting this or whatever. And she had planned on like coming up to see her family in Indiana. And my family, like my mom's family to this day says that they think that she was going to leave him because she was taking the girls on this trip to see her family, you know, and they family had no idea any of this was going on. She told them nothing. And then one day she I remember this very clearly the little like the last night she was alive. We were in her in her bathroom going through jewelry. That was her mom's and she was like showing us keepsake her mom died when she was eight. So she's like going through all these keepsakes and showing them to us and what they mean. And I'm six and my little sister's five and my big sister's 15 So we're all like sitting in a circle in this big bathroom like going through all this jewelry and stuff. And then my dad comes in and my mom is instantly like go to bed. My dad's angry and like, sees what we're doing and gets angry and I'm like, Was she trying to figure out what to take? Because this trip was The next week. So that's my thought on it. But basically we all went to bed and my mom would sleep with me because I was asleep Walker. So she would usually spend some time with my dad and then eventually come up and go to bed with me because they were afraid I'd ended up outside before I ended up on top of the counter like I was, it was dangerous. So they were like, just someone needs to sleep with this girl. So that's nothing happens. Right? So, yeah, so she usually came up and I noticed she

Collier Landry 20:32

wasn't my guess is why I don't take Ambien.

Brooke Nicole 20:34

i Yeah, I do take Ambien. No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. So I went downstairs looking for her because she hadn't come up in a while I was reading The Boxcar Children and it was usually longer than I was allowed to read. So I was like, what's going on? knocked on the door and she kept like, she wouldn't open the door, which was very odd. She went open the door to her room, and she was like, go upstairs, go upstairs, go to bed. I love you go to bed. I'll be right up, go to bed. And I'm like, okay, so she was really insistent through the door, and I like got on the ground and looked under the door. And I could see her feet next to the door. And then my dad's feet were just maybe six feet behind her. And I was just like, that's weird. And then I went upstairs, laid in bed. And then I heard a little while later, two gunshots and I didn't really know what was going on. And then I saw lights dancing, like in the front in my window like red, white and blue lights. So I went down, I tried to creep downstairs to see what was going on. And I saw my dad covered in blood. I saw people around him cleaning him up. And I saw my big sister and she said, go to bed and I said what happened and she said dad cut his finger. And I was like, that's too much blood for a finger. And she said mom got hit by a car at Walmart. Go upstairs. She was scared. She didn't know what to say. And she didn't want me to come downstairs and see my mom's body. Of course, that was hurt because she had to see it and she did not want me to see it. So that was her biggest thing was say something to get this girl to go upstairs like so I went upstairs and then a few hours later he woke me up and said Mom got hit by a car. You're going to have babysitters, and he dropped us off of the babysitters. And the next morning, my little sister woke up and no one told her anything. So they were like you can tell her. So I had to tell her mom was dead. And I told her I said I guess I was she says she remembers this way more clearly than I do. And she said that I said mom's dead. Do you want to play Connect Four. Because that was trying to like, distract her and not make her sad. And she didn't understand what it was. And I was like, let's just go in another room. And so we left the room where everybody is like, not okay. I mean my at this point, my dad's nowhere to be found. I don't know what happened. But eventually he came and got us. And at the babysitter's in the foyer of the babysitter's. He gets down the ground, He's fake crying, there's no tears. He's fake cry. He's like, and he's like, Hey, she didn't actually get hit by car. She killed herself. And we were like, what? That doesn't make any sense. So basically, my whole he kept custody of us. And raised me and my little sister and our whole lives, he told us that she committed suicide. And when I was we all we both knew it wasn't true. But we also know that he was the only parent we had, and we didn't support him. But we wore we're like, we have to survive the next 10 years. So how do we get out of this? Like, we have to make him think we believe him? Because there's no other like, otherwise we're not going to eat, you know, he was very abusive. He was horrible to us. But we were like, we have to survive till the end of this until we can turn 18 Like that was essentially it. But when I was 15 he got arrested like a week before Christmas for molesting another child, but who was not his patient. It was one of my friends. And that's what he ended up going to prison for for a year. So that's actually what ended up getting us out of his custody.

Collier Landry 24:46

Yeah, because I guess you would have been 16 by the time we got out and you can sort of I think Indiana is like you can file for independence.

Brooke Nicole 24:57

Ended up going in with like a foster family. They, who I, I got so lucky, they're awesome. They're there. I knew them beforehand. And I guess legally at the time, and I, we were in Illinois, and you had to have a spare room if you were going to take in a child that was about to go into the system. So keep us out of the system. We were like, Where can we go? So we had to split up, because who has two spare rooms, you know, but we didn't want to go into the actual system. So she ended up living with her best friend, and then eventually moving in with one of our uncles. And then I ended up going in with this family that I knew through the internet actually ended up working out. And they're like, still family to me. So I lived there until I turned 18. It's amazing.

Collier Landry 25:46

Now you're so this is your sister, she's 10 months younger than you she goes to another home. And then what happened to your older sister who was what, oh, nine years old. She's in her 20s by now. So when all this went down, and then you're in your father's care, obviously, she was still there. Now. Was she from a previous marriage? mother's mother, she's my she was your mother's daughter. So she, what happened to her? Like, what is that like that?

Brooke Nicole 26:17

I'm not entirely sure. Like where I know, she bounced off for a second with some people because she wanted to stay in Oklahoma for a while because she that's where her life was. And her family wasn't she was in high school. So she wanted to stay in Oklahoma. So I know she lived with some people in Oklahoma for a while some family friends. And then she ended up coming up to Indiana. And she actually lived with us for a while. Like my dad remarried for a hot second, like a good three or four months. And she lived with us then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Collier Landry 26:50

So where was her father and all this, your mother was brother's ex husband. boyfriend was her ex

Brooke Nicole 26:55

husband, but they weren't really on good terms at the time. So much better now.

Collier Landry 27:01

Her mother had full custody for your mother had full custody of her time. So okay, so do you have a relationship with your older sister?

Brooke Nicole 27:10

I do. Yep. Yeah, she, she is she's doing really well. She I mean, now she's in her 40s. So, you know, and she's married. She's been with the same guy since high school, and they're married, and they have a kid. And she's doing really well. But yeah, she had a hard time because she bounced around for a little bit. And then she ended up living back with us for a while. Because I think that at the time, like none of us really knew what was going on. But we didn't really want to be away from each other. You know, so like, she did kind of try to protect us for a while. And then it got to be too much. I think for her and she had to get out. So she actually moved out on their own, and probably the best thing she could have done.

Collier Landry 28:00

Sure. Yeah.

Brooke Nicole 28:01

She's awesome now.

Collier Landry 28:06

I mean, that's wonderful. I mean, I mean, there's so many bizarre parallels here. I think that I think it's very reassuring to me and is this is definitely proof for anyone that's listening. Like you, I you know, before this, we talked on the phone for almost an hour I've seen your tech talks, you are a very functional you know, courageous adult living and sharing your story and being you know, being out there with it. But like, your earring example that you can go through the these extraordinary circumstances, you know, this this trauma. And obviously, like, we're where we are, everyone's fucked up, right? I'm sure you have your issues, just like I do. I mean, you know, for sure, but I think for the most part, a lot of people glean a lot of hope from looking at the US and going if they can make it we can too, which is a cool thing. So it's really refreshing to see that. So what did the at that time isn't just, oh, she killed herself. And that's what the police were accepting. No,

Brooke Nicole 29:18

not really, at the tail. They all knew he did it. But they couldn't prove it. Everything they have a circumstantial and because he was cleaned up, he never did. Like gunpowder residue test. He never did a lie detector test. He never did anything. He was cleaned up before they even got there by the paramedics who worked with him. So it was it was kind of a hot mess. There were a lot of things get like, there are a lot of weird things like her body was room temperature. So it's like how long did he wait to actually call? He called from two different phone lines. so that he he made like four phone calls before he actually called the police. Things like that he but they were like we can't prove it but it does say that the cause of death on her death certificate is it doesn't say suicide. It doesn't say homicide. It doesn't say suicide. I think it says

Collier Landry 30:26

unknown death by gunshot

Brooke Nicole 30:27

yeah by like, like it says unknown. It does say death by gunshot but it does. It says unknown. And she was medicated. And yeah, like heavily medicated

Collier Landry 30:41

does your mother have a

Brooke Nicole 30:42

substance abuse problem now well, and

Collier Landry 30:45

so she was Was she medicated? Was that something she was normally doing

Brooke Nicole 30:49

now, and we also my little sister for the record, like my little sister did not wake up at all, through people carry her downstairs, through like driving a car through being put at the baby. So she never woke up and she was a late sleeper. And my dad did have a history of drugging us for long road trips, the little kids because he was like, Oh, well, you know, that way we can get somewhere faster if they sleep through it. So that's not an unknown thing. He was not ashamed of that. So it's just kind of like, I don't know if you drugged her or not, but she was not prescribed any of those pills, and she did not have a substance abuse problem. Wow. And the autopsy report, like his stories, none of them made sense. You know, because you don't try to kill yourself and miss. Why was there a bullet and like another wall like that doesn't happen?

Collier Landry 31:50

Well, or somebody does miss while trying to kill themselves because the gun slips and shoots their nose off or something. It's not like, it's not like a boom. Oh, it didn't. Because normally, you know, for people who you know are listening who have may not have fired a firearm. discharging a firearm is a very scary thing. It's very loud. There's action that goes on the gun. It's it's, I always I have my own theories about gun violence, but it's definitely something that you take notice. It's not like oh, okay. Oh, I missed. Let me try this. Again. It's a little like jarring, even when you're shooting a pop pan. Yeah. And

Brooke Nicole 32:26

she was terrified of guns. Like she didn't want them in the room. She'd never touched one. Like she was very terrified of guns. And the gun actually left burn marks the barrel of burn marks in the back of her throat. It was shoved in so far. So there are just certain things that are like, really, but that really you think really, I don't know. They're just a lot of little things like that, where we're all kind of like, No, you. You did it, bro. Like you did it. But also, they had a lot of issues with it.

Collier Landry 33:05

And you grew up knowing this, like knowing in your heart that your father murdered? Yes.

Brooke Nicole 33:12

Absolutely. And it's weird, because we knew but we couldn't, you know, I didn't know a lot of the details that I do know now growing up. I didn't know there were

Collier Landry 33:21

like, when you were six, you were sick? Yeah. And,

Brooke Nicole 33:25

and a lot of it was kept from me six. But yeah, a lot of it was kept from me, because my mother's family knew that if they said anything to us, he would never let us go over there. He loves it. Never let them see us again. And they were under the impression we believed him because we were his kids. Well, nobody ever asked us if we believe that we knew better, you know, but we were also like, but you know, no one's gonna take us away from him. Because we've tried that, and it doesn't work. So

Collier Landry 33:58

it's interesting how you use there's so many things going through my head, but just to pick up on your point. They didn't ask you they just assumed that you were a you know that you believed something? It's it's interesting, because my, one of the sort of things with my relatives that abandoned me was either there was this, what we just figured you would work it out, or you would, or you felt this certain way. And it's like nobody ever asked me. You know, I mean, nobody. If you bothered to take the time to check in with me and say, Hey, how are you feeling? Even? How are you feeling color? It's all I would have needed, just hey, how are you feeling? How are you handling this? What's going on? But they never did that right? And the second thing that's going through my head is I'm thinking about my situation. My father being in court And again, you mentioned circumstantial, it's the parallels are so bizarre because you know, your father was a doctor. And you know, I'm sure that people would say, Well, how if he if he did this, it would, how would the evidence just like with my father, why was there no blood? Why was there this will because first of all, like when they found my mother's body was 25 days later, right out of the house that I alerted them to. But also, you have, you have somebody who deals with blood, like my father worked, did surgeries and was dealing with, like, they know how to clean themselves. Like they know how to wash them, they know how to get rid of these things you didn't I mean, at least to a certain, at least to a point where it's not going to be traceable. And let's face it, this happened when was 97. So 1997, my was 1989 slash 1990. So you have and you have nowadays, the the criminologist, the forensic psychologist, forensics has changed so much, even from 1997 to now what is that 25 years later? 2525 years later, you know, even now, we're having these advancements that, you know, it would be much easier to pick up on all of this, but you didn't have that. And you're there's this sort of forensic science that's available and available at a cheaper cost, because you're not dealing with the Los Angeles metropolitan police department, you're not dealing with a city in New York, you're dealing with, you know, small town, Indiana that doesn't have like their local crime lab and on staff, you know, DNA specialists, you know, they can analyze things and bullet trajectory analyst and things like that were so they don't have the resources, right. And so it's very easy. I feel for someone in those positions, like our fathers to manipulate those situations, because they don't have that ability. And it's like, you know, you're talking about, he made four phone calls, right? Well, you know, in a murder Mansfield, my father says, Well, you know, which is different than his testimony, let me say which testimony of witnesses she got into thing. He tried to say that he did CPR on her perform CPR and this, and somebody said, Well, why didn't you ask him about calling 911? And I was like, Well, really? Was there any point to that? Like, really? Would that have been the game changer in this? They were like, Oh, I didn't call 911. It's like, No, I asked him why there's plastic bag over his head. He said, I put the plastic bag over it. Yeah. You know, he's already admitting to what he did. You know, but it's like, of course, are you Why wouldn't you phone emergency services immediately? This is what happened. Why are you it's just, it's it's sus as the kids say. But it is us. But I shudder to think of what what would have happened if my father had gotten off for murdering my mother. And then I had to go back and live with him. Because I would have been 12 years old at the time going back into his custody, which I would assume would have happened, I would have gone back to his custody, because

Brooke Nicole 37:56

I believe if possible, ah, my family tried for years, but they couldn't, can't kill parental rights, if no one doesn't want to give him up.

Collier Landry 38:04

Yeah, exactly. And it's like one of the hardest things and I know, I have a friend that works in Child Services. And he said, that is like, their version of an appeal. But on the child's right side is when they they file the the parents, you know, he deals with parents or drug addicts, right, that are literally opioid addicts that cannot take care of themselves, let alone their family. And they will file these these injunctions to you to maintain their parental rights, because it's sort of like the death sentence for them. If there's a way right with their children, for many reasons, like it could be because they won't cost you the children could because they want welfare from the state. It could be because they there's all these things that come with it, right? So they fight this. And he's it's just very, very difficult to prove that even when the child is in danger, right? Yeah,

Brooke Nicole 38:50

you know, when the man has a history of molesting young girls, and then you're gonna put two young girls in his care by himself for the next 10 years. They can't do anything about it.

Collier Landry 39:04

And none of that ever. I mean, not to be uncouth, but none of that ever happened in your immediate

Brooke Nicole 39:09

family. No. There were some weird things that happen, but nothing, there was no touching or anything.

Collier Landry 39:15

Let me ask you on that note, like so my father was accused of molesting my two cousins under the guise of giving them physicals a couple of years before my mother was before he murdered my mother. Right. And those girls because of their age, they just couldn't. And because of the just the traumatic effects of something like that could not you give evidence against like they just they just couldn't handle it, which is no judgment on them. Like you're a child like that is a horrible thing to deal with. You know, a lot of people asked me what was there a sign of that? Did he do that to you? And I and no, like there was none of that. But I do remember my father talking to me, with my mother in the room about sexual predator. There's which is so ironic, and like showing me if somebody touches you here if somebody it was very, you know, it was very anesthetized. It was very like you this is what if somebody does this and I do remember one time we were in a mall in Philadelphia, suburban Philadelphia and I was probably like 10 years old. This is a couple years before he murdered my mother. I went to the urinal, I was like, starting to be that age goes the bathroom by yourself. So is using the urinal, and somebody dropped a note over my, over my shoulder. And it said, I just want to make something like I want to touch you. And I and I freaked out. And I came out of the restroom and I gave it to my my parents. Yes, like, as I said, this is what somebody gave. And I just remember my father going into who had no problem, you know, turning on rain, drop of a hat, went into full on rage mode. And he just, he just sort of storming through wherever store we were at. I didn't see him for like an hour. I think as he went like looking at somebody or something. You know, I think that. So it's very, it's very interesting. It's like here, he's perpetrated something on another of these girls. Right. But then when it came to his own child, you know it like there's a boundary that you don't cross, right. Yeah. It's very bizarre. Or maybe he was putting on a show for my mother, I have no idea to say, Oh, I'm innocent of these things. I don't know. But I do. But there was none of that that occurred in my childhood with my father. Let me at least not to cry, right? Yeah,

Brooke Nicole 41:31

like mine. No, he, I do know, there were a couple times. He would get excited around me. And he would like leave, you know, he'd like leave the room. And I but I was like, I'm not dumb. I know what's going on, you know? And it that there were things like that. But I do know, like one of his brothers came to live with us for a while. And this was right before. Right before he got arrested. It was like the fall before it because he got arrested by around Christmas when I was like 15. So the fall before one of his brothers came to stay. I don't know what really was going on with that. But he would make really inappropriate comments to me all the time and like, say things and then we were at a Walmart one time and he like grabbed me rarely and appropriately. When was the brother? Yeah, wrong. My uncle did. And I said something to my dad. And my dad didn't believe me. He's like, why would you do this? Why would you say this about my brother, his brother, who had also been to prison for molesting children, who also had a history of it. When he didn't believe me. And I was like, I swear to you, this is happening. And he's like, Well, I'm picking him over you because you're a little liar. You probably asked for it. And I was like, Okay. And I got I was so done. Like, I was like, great. Like, but yeah, I that was the only thing that ever happened in a bit. And like, literally a month later, he was arrested. So I was like, okay, but that way, I've never I will bet or something. I'm like, believe believe us. Yeah, forget. So I was like, not only do you do it, you can donate being done to your daughter just not by you. And I do know, there were pictures taken of me at random times. But I didn't know that that's part of like the, the culture you have, sometimes you have to present pictures that are inappropriate in order to get pictures that are inappropriate. In that in that range of culture. Oh, yeah. Oh. So I know that there were pictures of me taken when I was growing up. That were inappropriate. But that's about

Collier Landry 44:01

by your by your father by by.

Brooke Nicole 44:06

So he never touched

Collier Landry 44:07

you. So he would use those as so he would. So you believe that your father? Would you use those photos as a sort of currency to obtain other photographs?

Brooke Nicole 44:17

I do. Jesus, but that's all I mean. Yeah, that that's something that like, I'm still working through. So like, I had forgotten about it until semi recently to like, because i There were so much, like so much that something like that. I'm like, I don't even care like I do, but that's the least of

Collier Landry 44:43

it's the tip of the day. It's like a it would be devastating for most people but you're just like I if that's the if that's the least of my problem. Yeah, exactly.

Brooke Nicole 44:53

That's the one I I've got other fish to fry and they're bigger. So

Collier Landry 44:57

I mean, it's hard. To under it's sort of hard to reconcile all of this when you think about Yeah, like it his own brother. It Like It runs in the family. Oh, yeah,

Brooke Nicole 45:08

multiple brothers of his have have had that happen. Like, it's a whole thing.

Collier Landry 45:15

Yeah, it's a whole thing. That's to say, though, to say the least,

Brooke Nicole 45:18

I know that my dad watches my tech talks up, because his family told him about them. And then they told me, they told him about them. And I don't talk to anybody on that fit. Like, I don't know them. So I don't really associate that much. But I did get like an angry phone call from one of his sisters, when all this went down because of what I was doing to her family. And I just needed to let it go. And stuff like that. Because people were asking her about it in the grocery store. And I was like, not my problem. But when it comes to like, do I, I didn't know where my dad was for the last 10 years. Until tic tock, he could have been anywhere.

Collier Landry 46:08

It's interesting, you what you just said, where they come up to you. And they're saying, Are there people are coming up to me in the grocery store, asking me about this. People are, uh, you know, it's uncomfortable. For me, it's whatever their their thing is. And look, I am in no way shape or form advocating, or saying that it's not difficult or challenging. Being in their situation, right. It's also rather difficult and challenging to be in your situation, or my situation. And so I would have, again, to say that, I think for me how I can relate this is because I only recently started telling my story on Tech Talk. And look, you know, it's sort of prologue to my life now, I guess. I guess maybe that's, that's the word I'm looking for past is prologue for me. I mean, I think as as you as you too, but I also think, you know, one of things when I made a murderer in Mansfield, as I gave everyone that I could the opportunity to speak in the film, whether that be my father's mistress, my my half sister, everybody, I reached out to everyone. And I said, you know, I said, Look, you know, I met with her in her house, and I said, this is an opportunity for you to share your side of the story, whether that side of the story is, you know, because people will draw their own conclusions based upon the facts that are presented, right? This is your opportunity to say, look, I didn't know about his wife, I signed this piece of paper with her name on it, for the house, because Jack told me to do this. And I was under his control, and whatever that is, right. And instead, they chose not to participate at the last second. And my sister pulled out I haven't spoken to my sister since like, not because of me, because of how early she just, you know, I was uninvited to my nephew's birthday party that I was invited to three days earlier, and all these things and so it just evaporated right, when I was making the film. So I am. And what happened is, is after the film, then they were upset. Well, you know, call your I don't know why he did this. And my, I couldn't believe that my adoptive parents actually did because they were very close, close, but like, they wanted to always cultivate a relationship with my half sisters family. And they said to me, you know, there was something it was really important for them and whether or not I was happy about it growing up and seeing this woman in our house and talking to her because I very much was like, you know, you are at the epicenter of this. You know, you were my father's mistress. And you had a baby, you know, all these things, right? At the same time, you know, I did feel that she was an innocent pawn. And now, I mean, innocent to a certain degree, right? Or she may have been opportunistically she was 27 years old. Like, yeah, I'm pregnant and a doctor and he's very charming, and he's already a narcissist, a sociopath. So there's the love bombing, the gaslighting all these things, right? And she, you know, it's very easy for people to be manipulated, it's still easy for oh, yeah, manipulated, even at my, my age. And I'm just like, you know, I think that I didn't blame her anymore. I kind of realized, Okay, well, you know, as uncomfortable as this makes me I need to get over this because she's also a victim here, too. But one of the things that my the she went to my adult parents was like, Well, you know, I don't understand why he did this. And now I have this and that, and the scrutiny, and he's like, my adopted father said, George says, look, he gave you the opportunity to speak, call your came to you before this happened, and said, This is an opportunity, like, a year before any of this happened, and said, Hey, and then a couple of months before came to your house and said, Hey, I want you to understand that this would be a great opportunity, if you will. I'm giving you this opportunity. I don't want to tell your story. I don't want people to draw any conclusions based upon not having the facts or hearing your side of the story, because people are gonna Look at this and feel a certain way. And then when they they didn't choose that opportunity, and then they were like, well, I'm innocent. Well, why is this happening to me? It's like, Well, you were given the opportunity, right? Yeah. To create your story is

Brooke Nicole 50:11

like you have this choice to.

Collier Landry 50:15

Exactly. So I think that, you know, when you're your family, or father's side of the family comes to you, and they're like, Well, this is a problem. And it's like, well, well, yeah, but what have you been? I mean, I would my response, I think would be well, yeah. But I'm now just bringing things to light. Yeah. Why haven't you done the same thing? Yeah. And why would you think as her daughter that I'm going to let this go?

Brooke Nicole 50:39

Yeah, I think for me, I've met his side of the family. once in my life, I was eight years old. Growing up, he told me his parents were dead. They were not dead. Like he had nothing to do with his family. He didn't talk to him for like, 20 years. And then I found out he had all these brothers and sisters, and they all had kids, but I've met them one time. And then, you know, they've never really shown any interest in my life or getting to know me or anything like that. And he got out of prison. When I was like, 16, he went in when I was 15. He was only there for a year. And he went back and started living with his family. And because he didn't really have anywhere else to go, and I didn't really want anything to do with him then. So I wasn't really around that either. But then I started doing this stuff, and I start getting these phone calls that are like, you're ruining our lives. Like you need to let it go. It's so long ago, and all the stuff that and then I got the I'm so disappointed in you were also disappointed at you. And I was just like, cool. i That's fine. You can be disappointed to me that I'm not disappointed in myself for doing this. And I didn't bring you into it. Like I never said your name. I never think about you like to where you would need context. So I wasn't like oh, everyone's supportive of him. I never said it thing. But you doing that means you are because you don't want it to affect your life. But like I grew up without my mom,

Collier Landry 52:07

thank you so much for doing this. We've recorded for the year the longest interview I think I've ever had told you a lot of similarities. It is so eerie down to like the doctor and and the behaviors. And just the complete and sheer utter hubris and narcissism of people is staggering to me is so it's so i mean, i My heart breaks for her. And you know, but the cool thing is, is to listen to her story and how she very calculating Lee, you know, said I'm gonna do something with this much like myself, I mean, in a different way I got into entertainment, you know, because I'm an artist and that's what I do. And but Brooke was determined to not let this just did not to sit idly by and literally put her ducks in a row. And it's so amazing to see someone do something so cool. With social media with with something, you know, she's so passionate about this. And and to really have justice to really bring justice for her mother. I commend her it was I'm so excited that this is a two-parter because I just love talking to her. She's so cool. I hope that you guys really glean a lot from her story and that you guys see the parallels that I talk a lot about on this program. You guys get you get to hear from someone else. And look, you know, again, as she says she's not without her faults and her issues and her days. But it's okay you know, we you know, we are all going to make it and I hope that like by hearing my story by hearing Brooke story by hearing other people's story to ACERA attorney, Tara Newell, you guys know and are learning that you guys can make it through anything. And if we can, you can do it too. This is not like meant to be a pep talk but it is a little bit I guess I don't know. I'm guilty of it. But you know, I'm gonna shut up. I'm gonna say I'm calling your Landry and this is moving past murder. Thanks, y'all.

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