Mystery Letter Alleges My Mom, Noreen Boyle, is Still Alive ?! - Moving Past Murder #68
While digging through old boxes, Collier discovers a letter written in December 1990, simply signed "Someone who cares." The letter was originally sent to Collier's Aunt Carol, his mother's older sister.
In this jaw-dropping episode of Moving Past Murder, the anonymous author claims to know that Collier's mother was involved in gang activity, baby-selling and having an affair with the police detective that cracked the case, but also that she may still be alive. " It also alleges Collier was brainwashed by law enforcement to testify against his father in court.
In addition to these resources, it's also important to consider seeking support from a licensed mental health professional or support group. Talking with a trusted friend or family member can also be beneficial in overcoming trauma and its aftermath.
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I want to say things to you so you were aware of the background of the Real Story . This is a story I know firsthand and quite personally from my relationship with Noreen and Jack. I first met both of them in the, in early 1984. After they had moved to Mansfield, in fact, I met Jack in the emergency room at Mansfield General Hospital where he was working while trying to set up his family medicine practice.
There was a period of time when they had no car and Jack would walk from the hospital to home, to the office in the dead of.
Testimony continued. Today in the most notorious criminal trial in Richland County history. Dr. John Boyle is accused of killing his wife Noreen and burying her body in the basement of his new home in Eerie Pennsylvania. The 12 year old son finally took the stand as I heard a scream. I heard a thud was about this loud.
We are the jury. Find the defendant guilty. When I was 12 years old, my testimony sent my father to prison for murdering my mother. This podcast serves. Type of therapy and reconciliation for myself, and it's my hope that it helps anyone who has experienced deception, betrayal, and dark trauma. I'm Collier Landry, and this is Moving Past Murder.
Hey movers. Welcome back to another episode of Moving Past Murder. I'm your host Callier Landry, and what's going on? Happy Friday. Happy eight days until Christmas. Wow. , the end of the year is rapidly approaching and I have been doing a lot of housekeeping and no, not like cleaning the house. I mean, yeah, obviously I do that too.
I'm a human, but, uh, no. I have been going through boxes of materials and finding things. And today I have found a mystery letter. Actually, my parents, my adoptive parents found the mystery letter and messaged me and said, Hey, Did you, do you remember this letter? And I was like, uh, vaguely. So, uh, but first it is Christmas time, and do you know what would be the most wonderful Christmas present for me to be able to win?
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All this material. I mean, I have so many letters I have. So I have underneath my desk, I have like 400 letters for my father, which is going to be full disclosure in 2023. Everybody keeps asking me, you need to write a book, call your, I am writing a book. I'm going to do a book of these letters. We're gonna, I'm gonna make it available for you guys to purchase.
We're gonna do a GoFundMe to raise money for the book. It's gonna happen because everybody keeps telling me I should do it and I'm just gonna do it. So, um, but these letters are gonna be included in that book. And for those of you that do subscribe to my Patreon, I actually have this full letter up there for you guys to check out the real deal.
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Right. So on that note, enough of that spiel. Um, again, thank you very much. My Patreon subscribers, for those of you that subscribed, thank you to all of you that reach out. And I want to go to this week's listener review of the week. And this one I am reading right now because I want you to reach out to me cause I wanna.
So this comes from a woman named Laurel a, who wrote a review on Apple about this podcast, and she says, five stars. Thank you very much. My father was a serial killer. I reported my dad from multiple murders of teenage boys. Collier, I love how you expressed yourself in your video. I feel like I have a similar.
I would like to connect and talk. Let me know if that is possible. Laurel a, Laurel a That is totally possible. I would love to have you on an episode and I would love to talk about your story. I have a couple of friends whose parents are serial killers and obviously they had, their story was a lot different where they, uh, they didn't even know.
They ended up, they found out as adults and then they were like, what? It's a wild, wild ride, and when your father or your or your parent is a psychopath and they're doing horrible things to people, I mean, I do an episode called Sins of the Father, where I talk about this. It was actually the impetus for me to make a murder in Mansfield to talk about the consequences of violence on ancillary victims, on people that are not directly involved in the crime.
And I love hearing these stories and I love bringing these stories to you guys. So hopefully Laurel a, reach out to me, get at me, call your landry.com, moving past murder at email, and I'll bring you on the program. We'll discuss. Of course I'll vet you, but we'll discuss your story. Um, so I wanna get to this week's episode, so this, so full disclosure.
So I am preparing to write a book. I am going through all this material. I am. My adoptive parents back in Ohio go through materials for me. Like they keep digging up stuff. They've got a couple of tapes that we're gonna play on the podcast in future episodes in the next couple of months. And I, I just keep uncovering stuff.
And that's, that's the crazy thing. You know, this, this program is called Moving Past Murder and it's about. Moving. It's about moving past murder, right? It's about dealing with these extraordinary circumstances and moving past them. But this is a continued journey in my life. It's still going on. This is still happening.
I'm still finding materials, so. To give you a backstory. So this letter that was written from an anonymous person, actually a, uh, I believe they described themselves as someone who cares. Um, this letter from someone who cares was written to my mother's sister, my Aunt Carl, and it was written on December 30th, 1990.
One day, shy of a year from my mother's murder, and I have full disclosure, again, I have not read this. It was just sent to me. I looked at it and I was like, oh, okay. And, and, and as I'm uncovering all this stuff, In my own, because I had a bunch of materials that I used to make a murder in Mansfield, and then I'm going through those materials.
My parents, like I said, are going through their materials that they found in boxes and they've sent all this stuff to me and it is just wild. So I am consistently uncovering these new materials. It's just, it's become such a part of this process of sharing my story with you. Through this podcast, through my journey.
And it's, it's staggering to me that all these years later I'm still discovering this stuff. Um, but this is part of the process, right? So I'm gonna put on my trustee Amazon reading glasses, and we're gonna get into this letter. So, like I said, the letter was written December 30th, 1990, to my Aunt Carol, who is my mother's sister.
And this was almost a year to the day of my mother's. And I have not read this yet, so here we go. Dear Carol, I've sat through the last several months full of sorrow and pain as so many of us here at the events of this past year. There is much anger in us for the way events have been handled by the authorities and the lawyers, and of course, the so-called quote unquote.
I'll use that term for them for, I was never raised to use abusive language, but the friends deserve more than that. I want to say things to you, so you were aware of the background of the real story . This is a story I know firsthand and quite personally from my relationship with Noreen and Jack. I first met both of them in the, in early 1984, after they had moved to mans.
In fact, I met Jack in the emergency room at Mansfield General Hospital where he was working while trying to set up his family medicine practice. Jack was working around the clo, around the clock to try and make some money. He would stay in in the office, then the emergency room, then helping surgery, then back to the office, constantly trying to get things going for Noreen and.
There was a period of time when they had no car and Jack would walk from the hospital to home, to the office in the dead of winter. Jack saved my daughter's life when she was in insulin shock. He is a devoted physician. He is a good man. Okay, , so a couple. A couple of things to note , and again, I was a child, but I do remember these things.
Never once was my family without a car, okay? And while my family did not have money per se, or my father was not making a lot of money as a doctor because he wasn't in private practice yet, we had just moved to Mansfield. There was at no point where we were destitute and had no car and my father would walk, um, to and from the hospital in the dead of winter without a car.
Like I don't ever remember in my life not having an automobile in my family . So, um, that's, uh, what we would call bullshit. I think that's like a story when, you know, when. You're growing up and your, your parents say, you know, I used to walk, uh, to school uphill both ways in the freezing cold. It's one of those stories.
So, um, it's utterly fanciful. And again, from someone who cares
I met Noreen with Jack at the mall one day, and that is how our friendship began to develop. Helping each other to get oriented to the town, the people, et cetera. My relationship with Noreen developed in the years and we became rather close. It is that closeness that you will, you will see from some of the things I will tell you.
I think the way the letter is addressed will clue you. Noreen often called you Ann instead of. Nore is my friend. She is my love and has been both for a while. We were very close on. Many things I use is because I'm not sure enough certain of things, or maybe I do not wish to face a reality. I don't know.
I just don't know. She is a dreamer, a wisher of things. She always wanted to be a princess and often talked about grace. She spoke with envy of those that had money. She wanted her share of the good life. She en, she envied Pam Brady and Anne Sidel. She envied the Roma girl in her class. Her father owned a junkyard but it didn't, but didn't like her social class.
Noreen liked Sicilian Academy, even though they asked her, they asked you to leave, it gave her a sense of class. Noreen carried that class all along. There is nothing wrong with any of that. The problem is that Nore believed her own stories and started to think that way. Okay, so a couple things. So I guess when she's, when this person who wrote this letter, , who I'm pretty sure I know who the person is, but.
This , I guess. My Aunt Carol was removed from Sicilian Academy. My mother went to, uh, a private boarding school that she had a scholarship to. I ended up finding out and she went to Sicilian Academy. This is my understanding of it. I don't know a lot about my family, as I've said many times in the podcast before.
And you know, when you're trusting the word of a psychopath, you know, pathological liar, you, you can't do that. So I don't really know all the stories or what really is true and what's not, um, which is sort of part of . Part of the reason of doing this podcast is sharing these stories and sharing like my process and trying to cope with all of this.
And this is one of the things I don't know a lot about my family history, unfortunately. I know bits and pieces and I don't know what's true and what's not. It's just. Manipulated and gone over so many times that I don't know which way is up in a lot of ways. But that said, I do know that my mother and my father did make up stories when we came to Mansfield about their origins.
But um, I think that the real person that made up the majority of the stories. I like taking photographs with naval medals that he didn't earn and claiming that he was an officer in the Navy and a fighter pilot that was my father, who is a psychopath who murdered my mother. So , I think it's becoming clear.
Who may have written this letter? This, this someone who cares. Noian was close to your parents. Your mother never got over Leonard's little red T R three, and that led her concerned to go straight downhill. Oh, she and your father loved you, but your mother never liked Leonard, and that was that. It just became a snowball running downhill as you were aware.
The unfortunate part is that Noreen played on that to get things from your parents. Oh, it worked very well. She was proud of being the dominant. Noreen liked control, and that is the very thing I believe that got her into so many problems. Noreen controlled your parents so strongly that she was able to also control the money, and that is what she wanted, so, Leonard would be my uncle Sut, God rest his soul.
Um, he did get into, my understanding is he had a TR three, I guess that's a triumph maybe, uh, convertible. And he had gotten into a car accident with my, with my Aunt Carol many, many years. Many, many, many years ago. Uh, when my mother was still, I believe in school actually. And, um, My aunt had a scar from this accident and from the glass and things of that nature.
Um, I don't know if there was any intoxication that was involved in this or not. I, that I don't know. Uh, but I know it was a wreck and it was pretty bad. But they survived and, um, they were married. Oh boy. Um, my, uh, grand, my grandparents on my mother's side to the best of my knowledge, never had money. They were fairly poor.
Um, Anyways. Noreen and Jack at one time loved each other very much. That was a thing that was so evident to even to, to, to me, even into the divorce. Jack was intent on me on making Nore and Collier financially secure. It was a divorce of mutual consent. Noreen was involved with other. Jack was planning to move and get married again after the divorce.
Noreen Nore was quite aware of all this and utilized it to her advantage. Jack would do anything for Collier and Noreen played this to her advantage, telling Collier all sorts of things to get Jack to do. Noreen even invented stories for Collier about Jack, which unfortunately Collier. This has to this day, destroyed a little boy who has no family to turn to.
He's scared and alone shuffled from the school teacher to the phone. Man, Collier doesn't know where he's going. The court system here, and the police are trying to keep Callier here because he knows things that would hurt their case against Jack Callier will never leave Richen County alive. I'm absolutely convinced.
Well, the good news is, is that I currently live in Los Angeles, California, and it has been 30 years since this letter was written, and I think I did make it out of Richland County alive. In fact, like 20 years ago, I made it out of Richland County alive. Um, what's also interesting is I do remember my father saying to me, uh, during the period of the nasty divorce leading up to my mother's murder, that he was going to make it.
I was going to be removed from. Private school. I went to a school called Discovery School and I was going to be sent to public school to be with the other poor kids because my mother was going to be soaked poor. She was gonna be working at McDonald's and we were gonna lose our house. I remember him threatening me with all of this at the time, uh, leading up to the murder.
He would tell me these stories. He would tell me how wonderful his girlfriend Sherry is in the new life that he's going to. And how horrible my mother and I were. In fact, my father used to tell me that my mother was turning me into a little faggot. I hate to use that word, but that's what my father said to me growing up.
And it is, um, it is unfortunate. So, um, obviously I think it is becoming very clear who we know. May have written this letter because they know a lot of details about things, but they definitely are very good at skewing it in, uh, casting it in a light that is favorable to my father and disfavor to my mother.
But I will continue. Noreen was involved in many things over the past year. The deal with Elizabeth was just that. Now Elizabeth was my half sister, or sorry, my Elizabeth was my sister who was adopted from Taiwan, who, um, was adopted uh, six months before my mother was murdered, and that's who he's referring to.
And, and other episodes of this podcast, I ever, my father is referred to my mother setting up her, uh, causing her own murder by being involved in the Chinese baby selling ring and gold smuggling and things of that. Has a very familiar ring to it, today's political climate as well. But, uh, yeah, very, very bizarre.
Uh, so the deal with Elizabeth was just that a method of bringing, oh, here we go. A method of bringing children into the country for people to adopt for a tidy sum. At first, Nore was only minimally involved, but the dollars got to her and things became deeper and more involved. This was her new income source, all tax free, and she loved it.
Noreen's involvement was not only with Peggy Lie. Now Peggy Lie was a friend of our family. She was Chinese, she was from Taiwan, and she helped my mother adopt our baby, uh, or or my sister from Taiwan, Elizabeth. It was not only with Peggy lie, but with others in this. Unfortunately, Dave Mess Moore was also a contact and he and Noreen were active together in many quote unquote deals.
There was no doubt in my mind that he had something to do with her disappearance. There is a long connection with mess Moore and drugs and prostitution and unsolved murders in this community. He is not too clean. Okay, so I think at this. Uh, , and this is just obviously from this someone who cares. I wanna point out that the typewriter font and the parchment that this particular.
Letter is written on and is typed on, just so happens to match the same typewriter typing and paper that came from my father's letters to me around this time from prison where he was in Warren Correctional Institution just saying. A un fantastic coincidence, let's put it that way. And that this is the gas lighting and just the way that this, this is just obviously, I mean, here, let's just talk about the disgusting thing.
This is a man, the, the man that they, this person is referring to has murdered her sister, has also been responsible. Molesting her two children a couple of years prior, her two daughters, which caused a massive rift in this family as well with her and my mother. And I've talked about this in the murder in Mansfield, and there is, there is that whole thing, and then he's trying to manipulate her to say all of this stuff and then talk about her husband, talk about, you know, my, my uncle and, and her parents and all of this.
Whoever this person is, what they are writing is, is clearly beyond the pale. Not only is it utterly fanciful, it is beyond the pale, as we say. I continue. I saw your daughter's letter. Oh, and, and you know, and then he discussed this, also, this involvement of David Mess Moore, who was the lead investigator who, who was the only person who believed me that my mother was murdered as far as law enforcement, and actually did something about it.
And then I gave evidence, and you, you guys know the story, but, uh, has a flawless reputation as a police officer, as a detective, and as a public servant in Richland County. He never knew my mother, straight up, never knew my mother. I'd never met him. I met pretty much everyone that my mother ever came in contact with, and I never.
Ever saw Dave Mess Moore until he arrived at my home after my mother had disappeared and after I knew she was killed, never saw him before in my life. I'd also say that it's a, as an adult, see, this is the thing that's interesting to me is as I'm an becoming an adult and become I'm, I'm firmly an adult, I believe in a lot of ways, at least, I am definitely able to sort of break down time.
If my mother was involved in a baby selling ring or Chinese gold smuggling, she worked really, really quickly to get involved in that. I think, I don't, I don't know a lot about underground criminal organizations other than what I've seen in like, you know, Martin Scorsese films, but I would say that it does take a little bit of time to, to build trust with people that you are committing crimes.
Financial crimes and, and human trafficking and, and gold smuggling with it can't be done because if Elizabeth, you know, the adoption process started like late 1988, early 1989, you're talking about a matter of six to eight months that all of this escalated and there was money being making, made head over f.
You know, hand over fist, you know, this isn't FTX and, and, and SPF f controlling all of this. This isn't some cryptocurrency scheme. This isn't things that are happening. This is 1989 and, uh, things didn't move as fast money transfers, things like that. So this is very, I, this is just so, so crazy, but I continue with.
I saw your daughter's letter in the newspaper, and this is what prompted my letter. The so-called quote unquote, friends are all far from that. Noreen never had anything to do with them except when it suited Noreen. Marge Timberman is the town, well, I'm not gonna say this. Um,
both of these leashes are trying to get as much of Noreen's property as possible to close, for instance. , I hope you get your tea cart back if it's in, if it's a family heirloom. Noreen had several tea carts, so I don't recall which one it is. Actually, my mother's tea card is still outstanding and we only had one, actually, no, we had two.
We did have two. So my mother had one maid, but there would be my nana's. Tea cart, which was my mother's gra uh, my mother's mother. And by the way, I'm, I'm not reading some of this because some of the stuff that this person is writing is really gross and saying about people that I knew growing up. So I'm just not gonna read it.
Um, but for those of you that are on Patreon, you can read the full letter cause I'll put it up for my Patreon. Um, Nore had several T carts. Okay. You get your tear co cart back. So I don't recall which one it is much of Noreen's jewelry is fake, much is genuine and much of Noreen's jewelry is fake. Much as genuine and valuable.
I think the attorneys are just having a field day with the property and the money and their fees. Well, I mean that I would agree with cuz that is very true. Uh, they are very unscrupulous. They are very unscrupulous indeed. You might hear from them about, but you might not. If they give it away, then that's less for them to.
Attorney blank is handling the children's part is a real idiot with a bumbling practice until he was court appointed in this case, he used to be a high school band leader. Attorney blank is much better. Just a little more experienced is is not much better and just a little more experienced anyhow. The questions about this tragedy linger.
Jack, a dedicated physician who cared for the poor, would no one else would. Someone who could be counted on by others, A good man, as I said before. And Noreen a pleasant lady, if not a bit excitable. I liked them both. I loved Noreen and wanted to marry her. I will never believe that Jack killed. No. I do not believe that Nore is dead.
If that is the case, then there are too many fingers in the pie of that crime ranging from the next door neighbor to the police department to the Columbus gang. Gang a. A gang is now involved. I'm keeping my mind and ears open in this case because too much is at stake. There are people in this town who know much about the case, but are afraid to speak out for fear from the police or their hit squads.
I am afraid that I'm one of them since I will not be signing this letter. But it was important for me to ramble on about things that have occupied my mind for the last several months, about two people that I highly respected and loved take care of. Carol, I don't know if I'll write again. I just felt that I had to get some things out in the open to you.
We will all keep praying and searching from this end to find the. Someone who cares? Well, someone who cares. I mean, I, again, I don't know who wrote this letter, but I would say it is a fantastic coincidence that it happens to match the type setting of the typewriter that my father wrote all of his letters from in the early 19 91, 92, when he was incarcerated at Warren Correctional Institution in Lebanon, Ohio.
Or wary as they call it. But my God, and this is the thing, when I read these letters to you, , to you guys, and I talk about these, these things is it's chest so staggering to me that someone is so disgusting, is so manipulative, is so wrapped up in themselves. I mean, I don't know a single. I mean, it's almost Messianic because you have this person that's writing.
Anyhow, the questions about this tragedy linger Jack, a dedicated physician who cared for the poor when no one else would, someone who could be counted on by others. A good man, as I said before, did he? Take a loaf of bread and a fish and he fed 500 people. Did he turn water into wine? Did he walk on water?
Because that is, like I said, it's, it's rather messianic, if you will. Um, wow. I mean, I don't. And I loved Noreen and wanted to marry her. You know, I can comment on this letter a lot more, and maybe I'll do another episode about this, but there were other people that were involved with my parents, you know, that I know of.
And I haven't really, I haven't really gone down these, these sort of paths on this podcast before, but I, I feel like this almost warrants a, uh, another podcast, separate podcast about my sorted. About the history of these letters and the history of these relationships, because it is really fascinating to me.
And again, like I said to you guys at the start of this, this episode, I have not read this yet. I'm literally reading it to you right now. Just, wow, I don't have a lot to say, but I, I do have a lot to say and there's a lot of things running through my mind. I think I need to really process. I really do. I think I need to process this and come and revisit this letter.
I feel like I need to, good thing that Dr. That Dr. Jaffey is on for tomorrow at 1:00 PM because this will be discussed. This will be discussed with Dr. Chaffey in our session. Oh my God. Wow. Um. But this is real. This is, this is, this is the life. So not only do I lead this life as like a filmmaker working in, in Los Angeles and all this, but then I do this podcast and then I come across these things as I'm putting more and more of this material together.
And this is just staggering to me. This is just, this is the ramblings of a madman or a mad woman. I think madman, I think we all know who wrote this letter. I think it's pretty obvious from its. Panter, would that be a word I could use in this? The, um, just the way that it's written, it just reeks of my father and, um, I think that's what it is, especially with the way that he talks about himself or the way that this person describes my father.
A good man. A good man who, who cared for the poor when no one else would. I mean, you know, I know when my father had a. dedicated patient, fan base for sure. And, and, and in that regard, and a lot of people loved him for that. But, um, I don't think anyone would say that he was a particularly good man. He was having an affairs with, with so many people, including at the hospitals and, and just, you know, a good man does not impregnate his mistress and then tell his wife.
That she needs to just live with it and then tell their son that he's going to make their life a living hell because she divorced, she's divorcing him and he's gonna be going to public school. And not that it's wrong, I ended up going to public school and there was nothing wrong with it. It was fantastic.
But, you know, using these scare tactics on a child and, and, you know, just trying to, to just, just doing a lot of damage really is what it is. That's not what a good man. That's for sure. Wow. I gotta take a moment to process this guys. I'm not gonna lie, but, uh, you know, happy . Happy holidays. Happy holidays.
Oh, boy. Um, let it snow. Let it snow, let it snow. Yeah, for those of you in Ohio, under, in, in blizzard conditions, let it snow. Let it snow. Let it snow. Anyways, uh, , it's gonna take me a while to process this one, that's for sure. Uh, if you guys wanna see this full letter, go to my patreon patreon.com/caller Landry.
You can check it out. I'm posting the letter. When you sign up, you can watch a Murder of Mansfield. I have all kinds of great content on there. You can check out the full version of this letter. Let me think about this all week until I speak to you guys next. Uh, anyways, I'm Collier Landry and this is Moving Past Murder.
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