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Fighting for Your Case when Homicide Detectives are Overwhelmed

When a child grows up fearing serial killers and even loses a young neighbor girl to a killer, it might be the start of lifelong trauma. In the case of Nina Innsted, the host of Already Gone, she let that fear fuel her desire to catch killers and find the victims who go missing. When the police couldn't do enough to solve missing person cases, Nina found ways to give her cases a better chance of being solved. Collier and Nina discover that's something they both have in common. Hear about the dark and deadly events that encouraged Nina to get involved in the world of true crime.

  • What would've happened to Collier's mother's murder case had he not gotten involved to tip-off police and testify against his father?

  • Collier and Nina reflect on the importance on being persistent on solving criminal cases.

  • Serial killers never brought to justice: Nina shares her personal story of growing up in an area terrorized by murderers who were never identified.

  • What are the first steps you should take when a loved one goes missing, specifically a teenager?

  • Nina has several essential pieces of advice she's picked up working for the missing person association, Missing In Michigan.

  • The disgusting world of private investigators and others who take advantage of desperate families searching for missing loved ones or answers to unsolved criminal cases. Be wary of those just out to make a buck off your tragedy.

  • For the families and friends left behind after someone is murdered, do they ever truly find closure? When does the story end? Nina breaks down what she's discovered.

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Her podcast: Already Gone

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Full Transcript Below

Nina Innsted 0:01

Her mom said there is no such thing as closure. The closure is for people who haven't gone through something like this. And that stuck with me. Because I think she's right. I think that people who have not been through a deeply traumatic life-altering event can talk about closure. But when you go through something like this and like you and I was just talking about before we hit record. You have to deal with it every day. And on anniversaries and Father's Day and Mother's Day at birthdays and holidays or they're not there. There is no closure.

Intro Stinger 0:45

Testimony continued today in the most notorious criminal trial in Richland County history. Dr. John Boyle is accused of killing his wife, Noreen, and burying her body in the basement of his new home in Erie, Pennsylvania. The 12-year-old son finally took the stand. I heard a scream, I heard a thud. It was about this loud. We the jury find the defendant guilty.

Collier Landry 1:01

When I was twelve years old, my testimony sent my father to prison for murdering my mother. This podcast serves as a type of therapy and reconciliation for myself, and it is my hope that it helps anyone who has experienced deception, betrayal, and dark trauma. I’m Collier Landry, and this is Moving Past Murder.

Hey, movers what's going on? Welcome back to another episode of moving past murder. I'm your host Collier Landry and what's going on? Let's go into home. Let's go. We know. So funny story. My parents, George and Susan Zeigler. listened to the podcast. And they call me today's today's Father's Day. As you know, I just did the Father's Day episode. And they said my dad called me cuz what's going on what's going on? Like, but very more monotone Angel sounding. And it was really funny. And I was very, very confused. And I realized he was taking a picture of me about podcast and the little intro that I do and he's like, You should put that on a t shirt. So maybe that's a good idea. Maybe I'll I'll do that. Thanks, George Zeigler. For your recommendation. You have to shout outs in in with many weeks on the podcast. Unbelievable. For those of you joining thank you for tuning in. For those who found me on Tik Tok. Well, let me tell you what I'm having a lot of fun on Tik Tok. And my Instagram lives which are every Tuesday at 11am Pacific 2pm Eastern Time, and we're going to be doing TikTok labs I'm going to maybe try to do on this upcoming week. So anyway, as you know, I try to answer at least one listener question every single week when I started the show, and this one comes from Vivian 1187. She saw me on TikTok the amazing Tiktok and reached out to me on Instagram because you can DM me there. And she had this question. She says Collier after binging your podcast is last several weeks. I just want to know how you handle your mental health. I too am also a trauma survivor and struggle with my mental health. Do you have any tips for PTSD sufferers like myself? Well, Vivienne, I am not a mental health professional. And I can only tell you my own personal experiences. But honestly, if you are struggling with your mental health, like I know many people reach out to me because of the program and they sort of find a kindred spirit with myself. With the program, you guys. You guys always ask like, Hey, your material is really resonating with me. What should I do? Well, the first thing is to find a good analyst, find a good psychologist, you can work with a therapist. There are loads of them. And now there are wonderful apps out there that where you can just directly connect with people, which is what I use full disclosure, I use an app I found a guy a couple of years ago during the pandemic. And I said, look, hey, man, you know, I'm going through some struggles at the time, I had just decided to quit drinking alcohol. And I was like, Hey, I found somebody who had specialized in addiction and not that I was an addict. But I wanted somebody that sort of understood like, Hey, I have all these issues pending. And I also have this this thing that I'm trying to eliminate from my life as well eradicate it's not good for me it's causing me a lot of anxiety. And I will get into that in another episode I have a great guest is going to come on her name is Jillian teats. She is from sober power. We're going to do a we're gonna do an episode together very soon, and discuss all the effects of alcohol and drinking and all those things. But get back to what I was saying. So I reached out to somebody that really connected and resonated with me, I looked at his work, and I was like, Hey, man, you seem really cool. And I wanted him to again, understand that I've been through this amazing this kind of amazing I had been through this extraordinary amount of trauma in my life. And I take had a long break from therapy. I did not go to therapy. For probably I actually, here's the here's the real truth. I didn't go to therapy from age probably 16 till I was probably like, in my mid early to mid 30s. It all really started when I did a murder in Mansfield and I reconnected with Dr. Dennis maracas. And then I realized through our sessions in the film, how important connecting with a therapist was going to be again. So I started going back, I worked with him a little bit that I worked with this other guy who I started with a couple of years ago. He's fantastic. Again, I found him through an app. The app is really cool. Hey, if the app wants to sponsor me, I'll mention his name. But the app was amazing because it was so convenient for me and and I think that now, you know, it was the global pandemic, I was going through a lot, as we all were, and I felt the need to reconnect and or to connect with a therapist. And I found him and he's great.

So, for me, that's what I think you need to do firsthand, you got to reach out to to a specialist that you can talk to somebody you can talk to. The second thing is is PTSD for me is really tricky, because I had Dr. On Hill Escovitch on this program a few weeks back, he did a book called The Art of routine, I would say the number one thing that I talked about when I talked about with trauma survivors like Ken Robinson Chamberlain who's gonna be on this program very soon, she was on our true crime survivors panel ahead of crime con a couple of months back, and Tara Newell, who you guys know had been on the program several times she was the one who ended dirty John me hands life. Then the series dirty John is based on what happened to her and her family. You know, she has a trauma survivor as well. And a friend of the program, she, we all discussed Cara herself, myself, some other friends, Lenore, Claire, we all talk about, like what routine really does, because routine really helps you. I feel like if you're a trauma survivor, and you're going through extreme PTSD, you just want some normalcy. And I feel like when you're able to really connect in that routine, and, and come to expect it, and it makes you feel like you have control of your life in a lot of ways because so much, you know, I look, everyone's trauma is different, you know, there's, you know, I have non combat PTSD right there, there are men and women in our armed services that have massive PTSD related to combat related trauma. And, you know, I feel like everybody who goes through this type of trauma all really connects with having a routine. And that routine, just whatever that routine is for you, whether it's a ritual of getting up every day and meditating going to do yoga, whether it's going running five miles from me, it's either running, swimming or biking. Like I get up and I either swim like a mile in the mornings, or I go for a run for three and a half to five miles, just depending on how my knee feels. There's a lot of things I do, and but I know I noticed myself, when I get very busy and the world starts to kind of closing around me that I if I'm feeling a little off, when I do these things, especially related to like exercise, like it releases endorphins and serotonin, and it makes you feel really good. That for me is a key thing. But a lot of people they have different aspects of their routine, you know, maybe that routine is eating healthy. Or maybe it's like eating like crap, maybe they have that one. You know that one Coca Cola day, I believe actually on Hill is kind of talks about that, like they have that one little reward in their day that they look forward to that kind of leads them through the day, whatever that is. You know, as long as it's a healthy behavior, and you feel good about the behavior that you're doing, I say go for it. There is so much in this world that is bad for us that is triggering for us that contributes to a downward spiral when you're going through really heavy shit. And I say anything that can relieve that stress, as long as it's not detrimental to you, or ones around you. I think I say go for it. You know, whatever makes you feel happy. I mean, I'm I'm good with that. But hey, you know, don't take my word for it. Take the word of Certified Professional, which you can find through x named app. Anyways, I digress on this point.

So this week's episode is really really cool. For a lot of reasons. Lately, I have become dealing in this true crime world I have become more and more aware of a couple of different things. One would be conscious true crime, right? And there's a lot of people that take take advantage of people's stories and just put it out in a podcast make a bunch of money or not, but they use it for their own personal gain. So they don't get victims permission. They become more exploitative of the victim stories. And then they're not saying hey, I'm gonna talk about you on this program. Are you okay with that? However, my guest today is Nina instead, the host of the already gone podcast. And she did exactly that she hit me up on Twitter and she said, Hey, I saw your I listened to your podcast. I became aware of it. But I was already planning on doing a story about your mother and about your family's tragedy and about you and leading the investigation in the missing persons case turned murder case and your role in that. But I wanted to get your permission and let you know that I was going to do this. And I said, That is fantastic. Why don't I Why don't you interview me? And we did. And that episode actually came out about a week ago and already gone because she's way faster at her post production than I am, that's for sure. But no, so Nina instead did this wonderful show, we went back and forth. And I said, Hey, I want to interview you on my show. Because I really want to highlight the fact that you are a conscious True Crime creator, you reached out to me, she's doing work. Now she is. She lives in Georgia now. But she is from the Michigan State area. She does a lot with foundations in Michigan, that are involved in missing persons cases. Most of these cases, obviously are women that are coming from a battered background, domestic violence, things of that nature. And she works closely with authorities. She also works closely with families, and helping them go through with work through the steps to find their loved ones. And that's really cool work, I feel it's really important to highlight this type of work, because it's so important in a world that is so exploitative, as I'm discovering, to have people that are real good guys that are really helping and are doing it for the right reasons. So on that note, I am pleased to welcome to the program, Nina instead. So my guest today is Nina instead, Nina is the host of the already gone podcast. And you know, it's interesting, you know, Nina weeks, first of all, welcome to the program. Thank you, thank you for having me. And it's interesting, because I want to just acknowledge, you know, often people will do, I guess, I am very passionate about as, as you've discovered, true crime and survivors, and you know, their stories. And you were one of those people that really, that reached out to me and said, Hey, I want to do a story about your family. Is that okay? And I want to commend you for that, because that's not a lot of true crime posts is kind of assumed that because something is public domain, that they can just talk about it without even reaching out and saying, Hey, um, even the courtesy of, hey, I'm going to talk about this, I want to, I want to make sure that's okay. You know, the mean. So I want to commend you for that. And, you know, we have a mutual friend, Sarah, attorney, voices for justice. And, and she obviously has glowing things to say about you, as well. So I'm very honored to talk to you and to sort of highlight what you're doing. So thank you for joining me. One of the things that, you know, you and I were discussing, and you sent me a sample episode. But let's get into what is sort of, I'm very interested in why people come into true crime. And I guess what I would like to know is why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you came into this journey.

Nina Innsted 13:21

So my journey into true crime started when I was very small. When I was about three years old, my parents separated, and I went to live with my grandparents, my mother's parents, and I lived with them for about two years. And during that time, in Berkeley, Michigan, there was a serial killer, who was murdering children between 1976 and 1977. And the serial killer who is as yet unidentified is known as the Oakland County Child killer. And they took a child from my neighborhood. So when I started kindergarten, there was a memorial in the school for Christine Mahalik, who had been murdered and held for 21 days before her body was found. And then, you know, as I'm this little kid who's who's going through the difficulty of having separated parents are living with my grandparents. There's literally a killer of running around in our neighborhood. And that has always stuck with me. And that case is unsolved. And that's always stuck with me that four children ended up being murdered by this person or persons and as they've never been identified. So when I decided to start the podcast back in 2016, I wanted to cover stories from Michigan in the Great Lakes area, stories that I was familiar with from neighborhoods that I was familiar with.

Collier Landry 14:44

And Michigan the Great Lakes that's that's my my hood. Yeah. Hi. Oh, yeah. We are Midwesterners. Why, exactly. Why do you? Why do you suppose that these types of things occur in those areas like it just seems to be such a hotbed. I mean from you know, sex trafficking fentanyl, you know, opioid crisis. It's just like what is what is in the water? That's often what

Nina Innsted 15:11

are salt or salt free shark free Great Lakes? Yeah. Part of it is that, you know, Detroit's a border town people don't think of Canada's being anything other than our neighbor. But the port of Detroit is one of the largest ports by volume in the world. So much stuff is moving over those borders in Sarnia, and Detroit. And some of that stuff is drugs, some of its people and a city like Detroit, community like Detroit, Metro Detroit, there's going to be a lot of crime.

Collier Landry 15:43

Yeah. It's interesting, like I mentioned that No, but I remember reading an article in Details Magazine, I want to say was in 1997, or 1998, when they were talking about in Detroit, like a span of 10 days, two weeks, 45 homeless people died of drug overdoses, they were heroin users. But it's odd because they started finding this chemical in there that would make your heart stop immediately. And that was fentanyl. I mean, we're talking 90s. What is it? 9798? Yeah, just turning 27 years ago, over 20, like almost 25 years ago. Now, this was a problem in Detroit because of exactly that Detroit being a port city. So close to Canada, import laws, yada, yada, all these things happen. And yeah, that is always sat in my, in the back of my mind as these things sort of come to light. So the serial killer still has not been caught, is that correct?

Nina Innsted 16:44

Correct. It is suspected that the two men they believe could have been although no official announcement has ever been made. These two guys they think could have been responsible are both deceased. One of them died in 1978 of a self inflicted gunshot wound, the other died in prison on unrelated charges in 1995 of a heart attack. But again, we have all these families that never got answers. And growing up with something like that going on. It really impacts not just how you are brought up, but how you bring up your own children.

Collier Landry 17:18

Sure. One of the things I guess I'm curious about. So you know, we connected because of, obviously, of your of your podcasts already gone? And you're just genuine advocacy and interest in missing persons cases and aiding families. How did you? How would you? What is the what is it that compelled you to get into that work that work?

Nina Innsted 17:48

So I sort of stumbled upon it. I was interested in the missing and Michigan organization because I thought oh, I can cover missing persons cases on the podcast. I found that that very interesting. The one of the first cases I covered was the disappearance of Carol kreski dormant, who was one of the Kresge heirs. And she disappeared, I want to say it was in 1983, from the city of Troy, and her remains were never recovered. Her husband, who was the main suspect, in that case, died three years later of stomach cancer. He had a private plane, and he owned several businesses that had foundries. So it's not known if she ended up in Lake Huron, or if her remains were destroyed at one of the foundries of his businesses. But, you know, in exploring her case, I realized how many people are missing. There's something like 3800 people missing in the state of Michigan right now. And about 800 of them are under the age of 18. I volunteered, and I started getting involved in running the social media side of the organization. And now I manage a group that has about 90,000 members. And we all we do is support police and getting social media outreach on missing persons cases. And I spent a lot of time working with families who have missing loved ones.

Collier Landry 19:09

First of all, I commend you for that. That's amazing. You know, we were discussing in the interview that united for your podcast, about the necessity for being this voice for these people. And sort of how I've been lately as I talk about this more and more on the podcast, realizing that had I not been the voice for my mother that's did up for her things might have gone a lot differently. Yes, absolutely. And what are so when you're working with these victims, who are looking for their victims, and who are trying to be that what is sort of your your first step with them, what is it you know, that you come to with experience wise and say Because I think, you know, one of the things that you and I discussed was people often look at law enforcement and go, law enforcement isn't doing enough. Law enforcement hasn't done this. Not understanding that law enforcement is so inundated with these cases, that if they're not pressed about it, or or it isn't reported right away, it's a month later that they go cold. I mean, would you write her with that?

Nina Innsted 20:29

So I think sometimes people are under the misconception that, you know, a detective is sitting at his desk waiting for work to be assigned, when in actuality they have several cases that they're working on concurrently, and you're missing loved ones case may be one of those cases, you know, just one and a pile of things that they have to work on. So I encourage families to be their own best advocate. When it's a missing teenager, like a high school student, I'll say, alright, Have you have you called the High School? Have you spoken to their counselor? Have you spoken to the school resource officer? Have you spoken to the principal, because the school may not know that they're missing, or they may just think, Oh, they're missing, but it's not a big deal. But if you talk to them, maybe they can talk to some of your child's peers, maybe they can talk to the school resource officer. Maybe they know that incident that happened at school that led to them going missing. Putting out posters and flyers, I just covered a case on the podcast, Rosemarie cadeaux case from 1990, she went missing and it was literally a guy standing out in front of a drugstore handing out flyers that led to the big break in the case that led to her being recovered. So it's visibility is important. But you can't expect somebody else to go out and do that for you. You need to do it yourself. As frustrating as that can be.

Collier Landry 21:51

Yeah, and then there's something else that's frustrating. And there's a guy that I'm going to speak to on the on the podcast is former LAPD. And there's another flip side to this, which is, as with any great opportunity, come along the opportunists. Yes. And they see someone's who is really looking for struggling to find that loved one, as an opportunity to make money. And this gentleman is trying and is working very hard as a former LAPD officer working in missing persons for over a decade is exposing these private investigators that will often are predatory on families and these cases that desperate families, desperate families, can you talk a little bit about that.

Nina Innsted 22:41

So in my experience, I have not seen a lot of the PI's coming in. And it could just be that it's not a Detroit thing. It's more of a West Coast thing. What I have seen and I have cautioned families about this, they want their loved one found. So they'll put if you see you know, if you see Suzy, call this number, and it's their personal cell number. And then at two in the morning, they get a call from someone saying I know where Suzy is, but you need to send me $500. And then I'll tell you, and they're desperate. And they think this person is knows where Suzy is, or has Suzy so they send the money and it's actually an extortion attempt, this person doesn't know Suzy and doesn't have any information on their loved one. And it happens all the time. I mean, I personally see it happened several times a year. And that's just me dealing with the you know, the the little subset of cases that I handle for missing persons. So I I warn people to guard their privacy, and make sure you know who you're dealing with. And I think that that making sure you know who you're dealing with speaks to these predatory private investigators or helpers that want to come in and they're gonna, they're a bounty hunter, and they're gonna find your missing loved one, and they're just really out for a check.

Collier Landry 23:58

And probably, in a lot of ways is being a cloud chaser as well. Yes, the prevalence of social media and being Oh, I'm the guy that discovered this, that the other I think, you know, even when I look in true crime, you know, I'd become aware and be and you know, I came into true crime. You know, I made a film celebrating my mother I mean, it was a two time Oscar winner you know, I wasn't involved in this world but in starting the podcast and recently going to crime con and becoming aware of also the predatory nature of these podcast hosts and and and television show hosts and things that use this as an opportunity not only to enhance their careers, but also enhance their their sexual prowess, or, you know, they become sexual predators of some of these victims and take advantage of these people, which is to me, just absolutely reprehensible. I mean, that's my opinion. Absolutely. And there's, and there's a lot of these people that use this and be because, you know, it's it's, it's, it's very tragic and anyone that exports victims or survivors in this way, personal financial person, you know, sexual prophet is just, they need to be excoriated, and especially those that protect them to that allow them to continue this behavior because at the end of the day, it all ends up being a financial thing. And these are vulnerable. Again, these people want money, and how they can live with themselves is just Well, that's a whole other thing. You have me listen to this episode, Tracy Islaam. So when you when you hear about these cases, what is the first thing that you that you think?

Nina Innsted 25:43

Well, one of the things that I've tried to do, and I admit I have not always been successful, is am I sharing a story? Just to share a story? You know, is it just is it storytelling? Or is it in my telling a story that is meaningful, and in the case of Tracy Islam, her murder investigation was hampered by an overzealous and in the end, unethical, searcher dog handler. There are other cases that I've covered, like the murder of Jane snow back in 1979. And I covered Jane snows case, which is an unsolved murder from Northern Michigan, because not only was she murdered, but if you go on a road trip today. And if you stop at a rest area, and you notice that there are cameras and there's an emergency phone, that's because Jane Snow was murdered at a rest area that had no cameras and no working phone. Literally, legislation was passed to get these rest areas, and Michigan in particular, beefed up so that if someone stopped there, they were safe, they weren't isolated. And I want to tell stories that have an impact not just on the immediate people involved, but on the community. And you may not realize these things, you know, like about Jane snow. And if you look, I mentioned Carol kreski. Earlier, she came from an extremely wealthy family. She was a crazy heiress, her family had millions. And it didn't save her from the domestic violence that took her life. You know, people don't necessarily realize these things.

Collier Landry 27:23

They don't and one of the keys, you sound like me in a lot of ways, because when I was wanting to tell my story, I said, you know, I'm very concerned about at that time, people were looking at these cases and go, Okay, well, the bad guy goes to prison, the victim is dead, this tape gets his restitution, the gavel hits and we say next. And then we don't examine the consequences of violence on ancillary victims, the impact that it has on non-combat PTSD and people the impact that it has on the communities where these happen and what and ultimately, that's what led to a murder Manziel was my sort of quest to die on that hill of saying that, we need to look at the ramifications of these of these actions. Now, this has become very fashionable for a lot of companies and people like oh, now we're Oh, yeah, we're super woke or whatever it is. You want to call it. Yeah. Right. And that's good. And as good is good that they do this, but that was not always the case, which was always my largest frustration is like this. This level of awareness of like not it just doesn't die there. It's know people have it people have so pick up all the pieces.

Nina Innsted 28:36

Yes, there's a ripple effects directly. And it impacts the entire community. And it impacts you know, not it impacts the family, and then it spreads out from there to the neighborhood to the community, to the overall area at large. And people remember, you know, like I said about the Oakland County Child killer. I'm almost 50 years old. And I still remember that case, I still remember how frightened people were. And when my kids got to be a certain age. Can I walk around the block by myself, mom? And I really had to think about it. Yeah, it doesn't just end the story doesn't end. It's not like a book where you just close it and it's over. It continues it persists.

Collier Landry 29:18

Again, raising awareness on these things is where it really starts. You know, I think that when you talk about the the ripple effect, and I think that some people go well, you know, they don't understand the impact, but then they see like the OJ Simpson case. They see the school shootings, they see see things like this, that are that have such a massive impact on the communities but then they go well, it's a small town murder, it's like but it's even bigger there. You know, my case, you know, there was 30,000 people in the county it was like must see TV every single day because of the trial was televised. And it's It's the real significant impact is is staggering. What would you what do you say to people? Who are what would you say, as someone who has turned their passion and their personal childhood experience into a form of advocacy for this, and then using your popcorn, where your podcasts as a platform for that? What would you say to someone who, you know, a lot of times these, these people are scared to report or they're scared to, to, you know, what's going to happen? I mean, we talked about the police, right? And people often vilify the police and say, well, they're not doing enough. And it's like, they don't understand, again, the amount of cases that are there, but what do you say these people that are, that are desperately trying to find a loved one?

Nina Innsted 30:52

You know, it's hard, because there's, there's a family that I work with, that their sister went missing in 1979, she was 12. And she's still missing. And I'm still in contact with her sisters who are still actively searching for her. You know, and they'll they, you know, we probably correspond every other month. And they'll say, Well, what do you think about doing this, and you have to advocate, you have to be the advocate for your loved one, because nobody else is going to do it. And it's not that police aren't interested, it's not that your neighbors aren't interested, it's that unfortunately, you own it, it belongs to you. And if you're not going to advocate for it, if you're not going to put in the legwork or put in the time, it's hard to ask somebody else to. And obviously, I'm not talking about someone who's just gone missing or you know, a brand new case. But on these longer-term cases, once police have exhausted all of their leads, there's not a lot more they can do. And I have families and it oh, it absolutely pains me. But we're basically waiting to find a body. And nothing's going to happen until we find the remains of their loved one. And I don't know what to say I literally don't know what to say to them. Because they've been patient. You know, they've been patient for decades, in some cases, and there's just I don't know how you live with that. I don't know how you find space to live with something like that. But people do.

Collier Landry 32:25

You know, one of the things I point to when I'm talking about missing persons case, and you talked about the question, and you talk about financial wealth, like one of the things I you know, Robert Durst passed away earlier this year from COVID of all things of course, but you know, his what, right? His he's finally Jenks, as I said in my podcast, you know, his wife, Kathleen McCormack went missing in 1984. I believe 9219 84. And, you know, the derse family has a lot of money and a lot of power in New York City Real Estate, right. But that wasn't the reason why the case, it wasn't like the family was trying to push the case under the rug, like the, like his brothers and sisters were terrified of him. And he, you know, or his brother at least. And, you know, it wasn't really because of that it was just because, again, you know, she went missing, and there was no follow up with it. And primarily, because there was no follow up with him. Right, you know, they were just getting ready to try that case, because he essentially admitted to killing her on the witness stand and the other trial. And, you know, it's, it's, and that's such a high profile case. I mean, there was a miniseries done about Robert Durst on HBO. And even then you don't ultimately have the payoff that I think that a lot of these families hope, which is the justice that they get, I mean, for me, you know, I did a TED talk called What If the answer you seek is not the answer you need. And essentially, it's just that it's like even confronting my father in prison, hoping to get some sort of answer as to why he murdered my mother. You know, at the end of the day, I'm dealing with a sociopath. Now, at the end of the day for me, I ended up getting what I needed, because I feel like he just because he would have said, Oh, I did it. That wasn't going to lead to some sort of big revenue revelation with me that where I would have brought more questions. So what do you say to people that are really seeking that closure?

Nina Innsted 34:30

So there was a couple that went missing out of San Angelo, Texas, a girl named Sally McNally and her boyfriend disappeared over Fourth of July weekend. And they were recovered months later. But no, no one's ever been charged in their murder. And her mother said in a YouTube video. There's no such thing as closure closure is for people who haven't been through something like this. And that really stuck with me that you know, someone like me who's never had a deeply dramatic life altering event can say, well, you know, I'd really like to bring closure to the family. I don't think there is any such thing as closure in a case like this.

Collier Landry 35:13

I don't think so either. Which is why I call my podcast moving past murder. Yeah, it's finding those unique ways to move past these things. Need to instead thank you so much for joining the program, where can we find you? What are you doing? Where do we check out,

Nina Innsted 35:30

I host the already gone podcast, which releases on the first and 15th of each month. If you are a cocktail drinker, you should check out my Instagram, which is at Nina instead, because I make a lot of craft cocktails. And if you are interested in missing persons in the state of Michigan, I run the missing in Michigan Facebook group and I'm the Social Media Coordinator for the Missing in Michigan organization.

Collier Landry 35:54

That's fantastic. And thank you for the work that you're doing. As far as the cocktails, I you know, I quit drinking a couple of years ago. So I'll look for the non-alcoholic, fair and alcoholic mixers. I mean, I'm into that. Thank you so much for your time. And again, thank you for reaching out to me because you wanted to tell my story. And and you're doing you're one of those people, I feel it's doing True Crime right in the world and, and advocating survivors, victims and respecting their stories. And you should be commended for that. And I appreciate you.

Nina Innsted 36:28

I appreciate you. Thanks for the opportunity to speak with you today.

Collier Landry 36:33

Well, that was a really interesting conversation with Nina. You know, it's it's encouraging to see someone like that out in the world, doing her best to help people help families, it's also discouraging to hear these stories of these people that are just looking for answers and looking for closure and trying to find these loved ones. I mean, ever since I've created, you know, a murder in Mansfield, ever since I started doing this podcast, I have become really aware of how unique my particular situation was with my mother. And having somebody who is an advocate, speaking out on behalf of someone who has a missing person, you know, again, it was treated as missing persons case by the Mansfield police department. It wasn't until Lieutenant David mass more listen to the word of an 11 year old child saying my mother is not missing, my mother is dead, she would never leave me, this is what I heard. And ultimately everything ensuing. And the case, you know that I'm basically taking the word of an 11 year old child, and I am so grateful because I didn't really understand at the time, or even into adulthood of how unique that is. And just to be able to do that for my mother. It brought me so much peace, right? Unfortunately, there are others that are not so fortunate, and so lucky to be able to find their loved ones and to get the answers that they need for the closure that they so desire. And it's really wonderful to know that people like Nina are out there trying to help families Sherpa through these tragedies, you know, take care of themselves during these tragedies like she says, you know, you drink enough water GE today, these things are really, really important. Because when you become so obsessed with something I was as a child, you know, it becomes your delight the whole light in your world in your universe, because you're just trying to find out what happened to get those answers and call attention. But you know, it really is amazing to hear the work. And we're going to be you know, I'm going to be interviewing other people on the program that work with missing persons cases that I also deal with private investigators. And they also deal with corruption in these private investigators and people that are, you know, running scams and trying to take people's money based upon the disappearance of their loved ones. I mean, it's, it's a lot, it's really, really heavy stuff. But I just am really grateful to Nina for the work that she's doing. I really want to highlight that her podcast is called already gone. We're gonna have links in the bio and the show notes of this program, to the organizations that she works with in the Michigan and tri-state Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan area. And also any other affiliates that she has, those will be in the show notes for you guys check out on this episode. So again, thank you very much for tuning in. I want to hear from you guys. Was this episode beneficial? What do you think? What would you do? If one of your loved ones went missing? What would be your action steps? What would it be? Would you who would you call first? You know, hopefully it would be the police. But what would your What was your plan B? I mean, we never want to think about these things. But we also want to be cognizant that we wouldn't be ready. I mean, let's not live in paranoia. But you know, let's acknowledge that these things do happen. I feel but look Hey, that's just my opinion on the subject. I want to hear your opinion because you are my audience and I'm making this content for you guys. And I want to deliver with the best possible content that you guys want to hear. So please, I love hearing from you. Reach out DMS instagram, facebook, twitter, on on TikTok YouTube. I read them all As much as I can email through my website which is called your Look, I love hearing from you guys it really makes my day it really makes me feel like content that I am delivering to you guys is really resonating with you so on that note,I'm Collier Landry, and this is Moving Past Murder. Thanks y'all.

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