'23 and MEdia. The Conjecture over Idaho Murders, Monday Night Football, My 2023 Resolutions - EP#71

A New Year’s TIkTok live discussion forces Collier to dive into the true-crime news and online media sensationalization over the Idaho murders and arrest of suspect Bryan Kohberger. That, combined with the near death experience NFL fans and players witnessed

with the on-field collapse of Damar Hamlin on Monday Night Football. Collier reflects on the potential impact this coverage can have on our mental health, and shares his own New Year's resolutions for 2023, including weight loss and career goals for the podcast. Collier also reflects on the lessons he learned in 2022 and how they have shaped his outlook for the coming year.

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Collier Landry: [00:00:00] Hey movers. Welcome back to another episode of Moving Past Murder. I'm your host, Callier Landry, and what's going on? Happy New Year 2023. Everyone. It is going to be a great year. I know it for certain. I can feel it in my bones. I mean, look, 2022 was a great year for me, and you guys were a part of that.

This year is gonna be no different and I'm really excited. I think about every year, like my New Year's resolutions and what I'm gonna do. And I try not to really have New Year's resolutions, but I did ask the phenomena. That is Chat GPT and if you guys are not familiar with Chat GPT, it's something that came out the end of November of last year, and it is an AI chat thing that you can ask questions to.

Now, it doesn't really, it doesn't know anything. like of recent history, like you it, I think it stops at like 2021, so you can't ask like questions or statistics about the pandemic or about sports or like [00:01:00] recent events. Right. But it does, it is a great little thing to bounce off of. And I said Chat GPT.

What percentage of New Year's resolutions are actually kept, and it says it is difficult to determine an exact percentage of New Year's resolutions that are kept as different studies have produced varying results. However, it is generally believed that relatively small percentage of resolutions suc are successful in the long term.

One study found that 25% of people were able to stick to their resolutions after just one week and another found that only 8% of people were actually able to achieve their resolution. But then it offers a little bit of hope. It says it is worth noting that the likelihood of success can be increased with proper planning and support.

I am a big. You guys are a big support system. So I have a few new Year's resolutions I'm gonna share with you. One is I gained about 10 pounds after I lost my dog. Last year at [00:02:00] the end of October, beginning of November, I was eating sugar, which is not a great thing. And of course there's holidays, so I am resolved to lose that 10 pounds plus probably.

15 more. I would like to get in really killer shape this year like I always have been. But I really, I wanna lose, like I said, 25 pounds. So I weighed myself this morning, January 6th, and I weighed 200 and I can't even believe I'm gonna say this, 225 pounds now. I am six foot two and I am pretty muscular and pretty big and I'm an avid exerciser.

I swim almost every day or a mountain bike when I, wherever I can. Unfortunately that has not been happening lately because I live in Southern California and we've been having this atmospheric river that has just been dumping buckets of, rain on us, which kind of is a bummer, and I know that , half the country is in a deep freeze off and on and all of that.

But it's a real bummer to our lifestyle here. So I am determined [00:03:00] to get out on the bike. When the sun, when the weather permits, it's sunny today, thank God. So maybe I'll go for a ride, but I'm determined to get that stubborn 25 pounds plus that you know, that including that extra 10 pounds that I gained.

Cause I'm sad and I was eating and I was eating sugar and it's not really good for your mental health or your wellbeing to eat a lot of sugar. And I know that bad boy slapped myself on the hands, but that's my New Year's resolution and you guys can hold me to it cuz I'm gonna check in. I dunno if I'm gonna do it every.

But with my weight loss goals over the next several months, if not the entire year, I wanna lose it. Like in the next four months, I want to, you know, I'm a guy. We sh we are fortunate enough to be able to lose weight fairly quickly, But we'll see what happens. The second thing that I really want to do this year, and it's just really dependent upon how the podcast goes, is I want to have more episodes of the podcast come out.

I'd love to. Two a week if I could, you know, we'll see what happens with that. That is one of my goals this year. Also to grow my support system in [00:04:00] Patreon, which helps support this program also to really be able to engage with more mental health people, more people in society and mental health.

I know that a lot of. Podcast was started on the foundation of true crime because look, I made my film a murder, Mansfield. I am a true crime survivor, and I share things like my father's letters and my personal story, and I wanna share more of my personal story on how I came to even make that movie, what my life was like in California, why I'm even here in the first place doing this podcast.

But I also want to engage with people that I think. More that are very interesting to me. And look, I've had a ton of guests on this program. I'm saying like, all the guests I've had are fantastic, but I wanna sort of start to away from so much true crime that

I, as a true crime survivor, I definitely want to engage more on the mental health of all of it. And that is gonna kind of segue into my topic today. So, I was on a TikTok live a couple of days ago now. Every week I [00:05:00] do Instagram lives at 11:00 AM Pacific, 2:00 PM Eastern every single week to engage with you guys.

And I've started going on TikTok recently. I have a large TikTok following, but I've started doing lives on TikTok more, and I'm probably gonna do those every week as well, right after the Instagram ones and the, that's one of my goals is to. This year as well. But somebody brought up something that was really interesting to me, and they said, what do you think of this, Brian Kohberger, the Idaho murders?

And to be honest with you, I did. I don't know very much about them at all. And I, as someone who has been a victim and who got into sort of the true crime space, and this last year, 2022. the podcast grew so much and I went to things like Crime Con and I met fellow survivors like Tara Newell Kara Robinson [00:06:00] Chamberlain Kimberly Corbin Sarah Turney, obviously.

Lenora Claire. bunch of advocates, unfortunately mostly female because you know, that is sort of unfortunately how crime is perpetrated a lot of times. But I, met a lot of people in that world and I also met a lot of people that have true crime podcasts or shows, and I started really seeing the effects of true crime on survivors and on people whose stories are exploited.

And so I just really. Get into true crime just cuz I'm also, I think it's sort of a space that is very I feel like, and I've talked about it a lot on this program, I feel the obsession with true crime is not ultimately a very healthy thing. At least not for me. I can't speak for other people. . But I feel like when you're constantly thinking about murders and violence and toxic [00:07:00] behaviors of other individuals all the time, it really, is not great for your mental health.

I know. I feel bad about looking at, and I'm gonna get into that. So somebody asked me about these Idaho murders, this guy Brian Kohberger, who I believe that's his name and what I thought of. Well, my initial reaction was, I think it's horrible. There's a, murder of four innocent college students. Were murdered and that is terrible.

That is terrible for them. That is terrible for their families, their friends, their community, the school as a whole, the university. So I always approach these things with a victim's first mentality. And even though, Read my father's letters in this podcast to share with you guys what psychopathy looks like, what narcissism looks like.

I also I, type into YouTube because I was like, you know what? Let me educate myself about this. So, because people were sharing with me different things on that [00:08:00] particular live, and they were saying, you know, this happened and they found this evidence and they did this, and then some people chimed in.

They said, look, no, that's not. The only thing they found was this DNA evidence here and this, and I know that there's been a bunch of updates since January 6th. There's been a bunch of updates since a few days ago when this, when I was engaged in this conversation, which was January 3rd. So I understand that there's updates, but I go onto YouTube and I'm like, let me just look at this.

And the first thing that pops up is this thing on, I believe it's the Fox News Nation, and they're interviewing someone who is a a crimin.

So I, I see this on YouTube and I click on it of course, and Cause there's a, ton of views on it and I'm like, well, let me see what it is. Because they were speaking to someone who is a criminal behaviorist. Who, , is a specialist in body language and things of that nature. So this woman is talking and they're assessing this guy Brian Koberg, because he had been arraigned, [00:09:00] apparently this guy drove from Utah all the way to Pennsylvania, I guess, where he's from during the holidays.

And there's been body camera footage of him getting pulled over for speeding with his father and yada all this stuff. And I guess he was, he has been extradited to. , I'm probably telling you guys this, you already know. He was extradited back to Utah to face these charges. Now this woman is assessing his, behavior and his mannerisms, and there's very li limited footage of this.

A lot of 'em are photographs, really? But she says something to the effect of , he was walking. and people were filming him and he was walking in handcuffs in his jumpsuit, orange jumpsuit or red jumpsuit. And he says, and she says, look at him. He's very solemn after talking to the judge.

So that tells you something. And I'm like, , hold on. Anyone that goes to court doesn't like being in court. . It sucks. And you're always. Then she starts talking about his mannerisms of blinking his eyes and biting his lip in the courtroom, supposedly is what he was doing. And then that shows he's having [00:10:00] anxiety and therefore he must be guilty.

That's what she was alleging. And look, I am not here to debate this guy's guilt or innocence. I know that there's evidence that has come out against this guy. I was talking about it with somebody yesterday. They said, oh, there's all this evidence yada, But what I am concerned about is somebody on a news program saying he killed.

Because to me, we live in a country where you have a right to affairs and speedy trial. Right. And I think what I'm getting into, and this is something that I'm actually gonna discuss with a guest of mine next week, named Dr. Danielle Slakoff.

I met her on Twitter, engaging in a true crime conversation about advocacy and victims. And she is a specialist in true crime and media I'm very excited for you guys to hear that conversation next week. But one of the things is, when I think about this is there is so much conjecture, speculation.

And I had interviewed a couple of months ago for another podcast, which is coming out this year called Survivor Squad that I do with Terra Newell, who you guys know from Dirty John. She's been on this program many times. She and I interview Kelsi German and Kelsi German's sister Liberty and her best friend Abigail were murdered in the [00:11:00] Delphi, Indiana murders.

And we were engaging this conversation. And when I was talking to her, I didn't know until she said she was from Delphi, Indiana that she, was part of this, cuz I don't pay attention to those, these things again this, program is called Moving Past Murder. And really what it's about and what I hope that it becomes even more about is taking these challenging circumstances and showing that you can.

Out of them on the other side fairly unscathed and lead a good and productive life. And healthy life. And that's what I want this to really be about. Right. But one of the things she was saying to me is she said, you know, there's so much, people are just creating content based around her sister's case to get clicks and likes, and they're clout chasing and all those things.

And I'm aware that people do that. I'm very sensitive to that. And so I see these YouTube videos and to speak to her case, I remember somebody was telling me, oh, I've, there's guys that do CAD drawings of the bridge and an assessment of when the murders occurred. I'm just thinking to myself, that is a lot and I know that media is exploitative.

It [00:12:00] absolutely is, but I think, and there's a point to all this, I think back to how much conjecture is, created and how much content is created around these cases. And everybody weighing in the, Monday morning quarterbacks, the armchair detectives of, oh there's this. The only people's opinions that really matter are that of the jury , that of law enforcement that is gathering evidence against these people, and that's all that matters.

And speculation really only hurts. in my opinion, and I think back to what would've happened if this all, and I know that people did speculate and have all these ideas around my father's case, but there was no internet. There was no TikTok, there was no YouTube right at that time. I shuder to think what would've come out at that time if, those things were actually a reality at that point in time and because.

It seems like everybody has an opinion, and I'm not doing this to excoriate or, put anyone down for doing it. [00:13:00] Look, we are all gonna talk about things that's just human nature, but when people are trying to seal cases and seal evidence so the public doesn't have access to this, the speculation just becomes polarizing like everything has these days.

If you don't believe me on this, then you're wrong and you don't like this person, then you're wrong and you're bad and cancel you. . It's really unfortunate because all of this ever does is hurt the victims the, survivors of the crime, the actual people that are affected by it in law enforcement, and also, you know, look, I don't know if Brian Koberg is innocent or guilty.

We will see how it all plays out. But also if you're putting someone. Trial of the court of public opinion as often happens. And I remember the OJ Simpson trial, and it was drug dragged out for so long. It was, I believe the trial was almost a year. It was happening when I was a senior or junior in high school.

[00:14:00] Junior senior year. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Junior year, something like that. And I just remember all the speculation around that. And look, I grew up in Ohio. I can't even imagine what it was like living in Los Angeles at that time where it was all going on. And I understand that media does this, and there was another unfortunate thing that was very traumatic that happened in the sports world this week where a a, safety for the Buffalo Bills named Damar Hamlin, literally collapsed after tackling a member of the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday night Football.

and he had to be resuscitated on the field. There was CPR that canceled the game. The game has now, I think, been permanently postponed as far as I know. And I just remember all the outpouring of people like, oh my God. And you know, his charity like was trying to raise $2,500 and ended up raising like five or six.

I have no idea what it's up to. It was like five or 6 million or something, which is incredible. Like that's amazing that people rallied him behind that. As someone who was a sports fan, I would also see. [00:15:00] Everyone weighing in on every topic, all this, and, oh, we're gonna talk about this.

And it's like, my God, a man almost died on a football field and apparently as of today he's, they've taken his breathing tube out and he's okay, and he's responsive, and now he's talking. And that's amazing because, you know, I believe that he was dead for a moment on that football field. And because of the excellent work.

The on field staff and, the training staff, and there was medical doctors there, and they saved this man's life, which is incredible and thank God. But yeah he's, shown a lot of improvement. But I just see like everyone jumping into the feeding frenzy, and I understand that's part of media. I think it particularly hits home for me more so when it's true crime related, because I, as a victim, I as a survivor, of a victim and someone who fought for my, and advocated for my mother at such a young [00:16:00] age to even lead to my father's arrest.

I just, my heart goes out to these people because their lives are just being exploited. And I've talked to people about this on this program before, but I see this, but it is, it's like a feeding franzy with this, with these Idaho murders and. I think when I'm thinking about New Year's resolutions and I'm thinking about mental health and all that, I, you know, maybe just take a break, is what I'm saying.

Maybe take a little bit of a break from being so obsessed with these things, because at the end of the day, we're talking about murder and crime, and these are things that I feel. Well, they are toxic. They murder is a bad thing and victims families going through pain and tragedy is a bad thing.

I mean, [00:17:00] I just think about when I was in college and I don't remember anything like this happening where I went to school, which is Ohio University Go Bobcats. But I do remember what it was like to be in a college community and to have something like this happen. Everyone's gonna feel unsafe.

And even when I was talking to Kelsey, A few months ago, her town of Delphi, Indiana was something like 3000 people. And she was saying much like, I would say that my community, Mansfield was like, where, you know, you knew your neighbors and you guys interacted and hey, you wanna come over and borrow, a cup of sugar, you had the back doors unlocked, no problem.

Go right in. And they were living in fear until their per, until their suspect was apprehended over five years later. And just the conjecture. that just goes on with all of this, the speculation, everything. Maybe it's just time to take a little bit of pause and so [00:18:00] back to what I was saying about this, behavioral specialist, because.

She's assessing this and then she starts using language like, well, he killed them. He murdered them because he was part of this group and this N cell, or something like that. Which means they're, people that are angry, young males that aren't having sex and all this, and I don't know what this guy was into.

There's a lot of people that are into a lot of shit that I don't understand. That would be one of them. her just, her rhetoric was very much like he's guilty. And it's understand. It's one thing to have private conversations, private people having these things, but when people who are in a place of.

Authority or considered quote unquote experts that are on news programs saying this it was just disturbing. And then she started going into how his father was dressed in the courtroom, showing up, and he wasn't dressed appropriately. And I don't even know what he was wearing cuz she didn't even really describe it.

Maybe he was wearing shorts and they didn't like that. I have no idea. And then also [00:19:00] his father had filed for bankruptcy 12 years ago, a dozen years ago, like 20. And therefore his father wasn't a good role model for him. I don't know what someone going into bankruptcy has to do with someone murdering students.

I have no idea what that connection is. I'm not an expert in that field, but the way that just, it's almost like this sort of grabbing for straw. Type stuff that I just find it, I find it really poisonous, and this is not to say that this is just Fox. Then I click over to an to a video on cnn and it's the same thing.

It's the same rhetoric. Everyone is judging this guy and I'm not here again, I'm not saying the guy's guilty or innocent. I have no idea. Because you know what? I know for a fact, one thing for certain I was not. I have no idea. What I do know is it, is what it is like to have this sort of speculation and this sort of [00:20:00] con constant dialogue and, oh, why do they do this and that, and blah blah blah, and fear mongering and all of these things that surround cases like this.

Like as someone who's been through all of this I, share letters on this program of my father speculating and raising and going on radio programs, which I have more tapes of that I'll be sharing in the next few weeks, couple months into this year of my father you know, speculating, speculating and, raising questions about my mother and saying, my mother was involved in all this criminal activity and that's really what caused her murder.

I mean, it's utterly fanciful, but it's very interesting to me. But it's also. Hurtful, and I think about when there's all this speculation that goes out around these cases that I think when I think of New Year's resolutions, I think that maybe we could all resolve to be. Better people for things that don't really involve us or don't really concern us.

[00:21:00] It's one thing to have an opinion, but when I see these people constantly commenting on it and YouTube video after YouTube video, it's like some people just need to take a moment, take a step back and say, what if this was my life? and I know a lot of true crime fans indulge in the fantasy of solving murders and wanting to be involved and, catch the killer in the case.

And that spa, that spawned so many groups. And I've been made aware of this in my last year, of sort of speaking to a lot of people that are in the true crime world, that there are people that have organizations that are finding facts and looking for cases and gonna Going to go ahead and, we're gonna be the ones to catch this guy.

We're gonna do this. I mean, I watched a documentary a year ago now called Don't Fuck with Cats, don't F with Cats. And in that documentary, what I found terrifying was not only the fact that the guy was a complete psychopath, and that was really scary to me. And I watched it. I [00:22:00] had no idea what it was about, by the way.

but then what was even more terrifying is the fact that there were so many people that were able to access information to that help apprehend this guy, which was a great thing, by the way. But I thought, wow, my God, they were on all these chat boards and everything, and I just, I don't know what the answer is.

I'm not here to give an answer. I'm here to just maybe say for the sake of everyone's mental health and wellbeing that we shouldn't be thinking about this stuff all the time. I don't know. That could be a great New Year's resolution. I don't know. That could be a great re New Year's resolution. I don't know.

But who am I to, judge what other people are doing? Anyways, it is a free society, but just saying as a sort of aside, when you're thinking about these types of things, maybe consider that other people's feelings are in place because all of the victims that are involved in this situ. Are, [00:23:00] you know, even the students at the university are now going to have to, move on with their lives and hopefully you know, hopefully come to a sort of peace and understanding that they're gonna be okay.

And I mean, look, I still have nightmares about my father murdering my mother. I shared on last week's episode that I had a nightmare that I thought he was coming into my room two days before I recorded the episode. That is some stuff that is trauma really does stay with you. And there's a bo there's a book that everybody keeps telling me to read, which I am going to finally read.

It is called The Body Keeps the Score. I'm gonna check into that because I'm finding that Oh yeah, there's a lot of things that I don't know, and I've done some recent interviews with other, friends of mine and, listeners, audience members that have gone through trauma of murder and things like that.

And we're, discussing these same things, these same issues of how they. And what their process has been moving forward, moving past their trauma. [00:24:00] So it's gonna be some great conversations that you guys can look forward to here in 2023. I am so excited. Also, I am going to get the 23 Ofme test. I swear to God I'm gonna do it this year because I wanna find out more about my family that I don't really know.

But look at the end of the. I'm resolving to be a better person this year to really just get myself into top notch shape and also to really give you guys the top notch quality content that is heartfelt, that is sincere, that is authentic to who I am and what I stand for, and what I have been through in my life.

And hopefully that will resonate with you guys. Cause I feel like it is. I really do. And you know what? I hope that I can win some awards because for those of you that voted, For the Signal Award, I will know on January 10th whether I won or not. Fingers crossed that this program as a winner, I would be so excited.

So on that note, happy New Year 2023. May you all have a healthy and prosperous new year. [00:25:00] I'm Collier Landry and this is Moving Past Murder. Thanks y'all.